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Local 705 out of Chicago negotiates their own contract and its better than yours !
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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 204105" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>Re: Local 705 out of Chicago negotiates their own contract and its better than yours</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Appreciate the response Saw and I will agree that I'm impressed with both Van and Danny but I've had chances to directly communicate with Van some time back and was very impressed with not only his ideas but his straight forwardness on a variety of areas. His total honesty to give me straight answers rather than what I would like to hear I found very refreshing. I also saw firsthand some of the APWA cheerleaders saying things about their pension plan that was not true. Example was the idea of taking the last 2 years of raises on the current contract to buy us out of CS and move our assets to APWA and then we'd all get the big gravy payouts. As much as I wanted to he Van say that was true he informed me that was not the case in any way and that at the time he knew of know way to make that happen. What I would get in the future from APWA would only be based on years of service under their plan and that on retirement I get 2 checks, one from CS and one form APWA for whatever service level I met. I did like the fact that APWA had no problem whatsoever of my working elsewhere at whatever I choose to do. That is an issue we should push and pressure the union like hell to change, with no excuses or exceptions. Sadly, I don't even see the IBT Rah-Rahers even giving cause to parading that issue. To much coolaid maybe? </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" /></p><p> </p><p>As to the Rah-Rah types, that goes both ways but to the point of defending the union and the "we are all one" blah, blah.... I think it very fair and obvious to say that if it was decided by the IBT leadership under the banner of "all for one and one for all" that they decided to take some of these good performing funds like 705's and reallocate some of their assets to CS and thus reduce their own payouts that you'd see that "collectivism" fly out the window so fast it'd make your head spin. Does the witching hour of next years federal legislation make that potential possible? Don't know and wouldn't think so but how many times have we thought something impossible with this union only to learn otherwise. Never say Never!</p><p> </p><p>Sure, it may be easy for us to entertain cutting and running for the IBT because of circumstances but at the same time they should at least be honest enough to admit they like the status quo because their bed if feathered. Reverse the roles however and I'd venture to say we be laying out different arguments as well on our part so there you go!</p><p> </p><p>Love it or hate it, APWA IMO is making the IBT feel some heat if not any other place than in the arena of ideas and public opinion and for that I'm grateful! Keep up the fight and the pressure but never, ever BS just to win the day. Tell it straight and true because the first order of winning someone over is to gain their trust and the only way to maintain that for the longhaul is to always tell it like it is whether it hurts or not. They may not like the answer but if they know they can take the info to the bank it sure makes the difference in the longrun.</p><p> </p><p>Good luck with the cause!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 204105, member: 2189"] [b]Re: Local 705 out of Chicago negotiates their own contract and its better than yours[/b] Appreciate the response Saw and I will agree that I'm impressed with both Van and Danny but I've had chances to directly communicate with Van some time back and was very impressed with not only his ideas but his straight forwardness on a variety of areas. His total honesty to give me straight answers rather than what I would like to hear I found very refreshing. I also saw firsthand some of the APWA cheerleaders saying things about their pension plan that was not true. Example was the idea of taking the last 2 years of raises on the current contract to buy us out of CS and move our assets to APWA and then we'd all get the big gravy payouts. As much as I wanted to he Van say that was true he informed me that was not the case in any way and that at the time he knew of know way to make that happen. What I would get in the future from APWA would only be based on years of service under their plan and that on retirement I get 2 checks, one from CS and one form APWA for whatever service level I met. I did like the fact that APWA had no problem whatsoever of my working elsewhere at whatever I choose to do. That is an issue we should push and pressure the union like hell to change, with no excuses or exceptions. Sadly, I don't even see the IBT Rah-Rahers even giving cause to parading that issue. To much coolaid maybe? :wink: As to the Rah-Rah types, that goes both ways but to the point of defending the union and the "we are all one" blah, blah.... I think it very fair and obvious to say that if it was decided by the IBT leadership under the banner of "all for one and one for all" that they decided to take some of these good performing funds like 705's and reallocate some of their assets to CS and thus reduce their own payouts that you'd see that "collectivism" fly out the window so fast it'd make your head spin. Does the witching hour of next years federal legislation make that potential possible? Don't know and wouldn't think so but how many times have we thought something impossible with this union only to learn otherwise. Never say Never! Sure, it may be easy for us to entertain cutting and running for the IBT because of circumstances but at the same time they should at least be honest enough to admit they like the status quo because their bed if feathered. Reverse the roles however and I'd venture to say we be laying out different arguments as well on our part so there you go! Love it or hate it, APWA IMO is making the IBT feel some heat if not any other place than in the arena of ideas and public opinion and for that I'm grateful! Keep up the fight and the pressure but never, ever BS just to win the day. Tell it straight and true because the first order of winning someone over is to gain their trust and the only way to maintain that for the longhaul is to always tell it like it is whether it hurts or not. They may not like the answer but if they know they can take the info to the bank it sure makes the difference in the longrun. Good luck with the cause! [/QUOTE]
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