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<blockquote data-quote="Sadman101" data-source="post: 4297959" data-attributes="member: 79169"><p>Not as much as you did.</p><p> Is that your assumption or is it fact? </p><p></p><p>You are missing the point. My point is you are assuming by having 0 hours that means I'm fired. That is not always true. </p><p></p><p>type as slow as you want, you will never start making sense.</p><p></p><p>Your entire point is based on the premise that he dis nothing wrong. That's the major flaw in your reasoning. </p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you made assumptions.</p><p></p><p>Everytime you accused me of making a point I never made and me calling you out for being disingenuous. </p><p></p><p>AND, the fact that you seem to ignore the fact that he said you get no hours or resign. No? Ok you are fired. How stupid would he have to be to phrase I'm going to fire you in two different ways.</p><p></p><p>This is entirely your baseless assumption. You assume he meant reduction of hours meant firing despite the fact that then tried to fire me. You are assuming he phrased the same thing 2 ways. </p><p></p><p>Really? He can't? But you said I could grieve him if he did. But if he cant reduce my hours and not fire me, how could I grieve him? Do you see the flaw in your logic? You are implying that because he cannot LEGALLY do that he did not do that. That's absolutely dishonest.</p><p></p><p>If a supe fires you for being ugly, you can sue/grieve him. If you went onto a forum and said I was fired for being ugly and the response was, "he can't do that, he must have just fired you because he can fire anyone for no reason." How freaking dumb would that be. That's assuming he was following the rules, dude.</p><p> just tried*</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not even sure, probably a ups rep with the horrible defense here. </p><p></p><p>I agreed with almost everything you have said because the points you addressed were a ghosts points that only you saw. There is only 1 single thing we disagree on, and that was the intent behind the labor managers words. The fact that you dont see that is absolute evidence of your agenda here.</p><p></p><p>No, some straight said he cant fire you for that, or if he could have he would have.</p><p></p><p>Again, assumptions out the ass here.</p><p> you are missing the point again, man.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's your assumption, not fact. You pretend to know what he meant. The very fact that him trying to fire me after was different than the reduction of hours proves your point wrong.</p><p></p><p>If you assume everyone follows the rules how can you grieve anyone for breaking rules?</p><p>Let me ask you, do you really think the smartest way to say resign or be fired is to say "resign or I will remove you from the schedule, give you no work and put the process in to get you fired."? Be honest now. What then does it mean to immediately after effectively say "you're fired" on the spot. How are those the same thing? You are implying he said I fire you or I fire you now or you resign. Illogical. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Look at how you phrase this. </p><p></p><p>The steward knew the rules.</p><p>And then at the end of your point.</p><p>The steward was wrong.</p><p></p><p>To break it down further</p><p>The steward knew, the steward didn't know.</p><p></p><p>How can you so surely say the steward knew the rules if he was wrong about how I wouldn't get the job back? So in your world this steward can be trusted? Yes or no?</p><p></p><p>I was waiting for this.</p><p>For me, it's my first job, for you, it's probably your last. The worst part about playing the "I'm better than you" card in situations like this is, we both were in the same place.</p><p>But if you want to go further down this road, let's compare, how much do you make a year? Don't be scared now.</p><p></p><p>Again, your argument is the faulty shop steward knew what he was talking about. And the labor manager isn't allowed to break the rules therefore he couldn't possibly break the rules. I might as well ask the blind guy to testify as he saw the whole thing. If you have EVER filed a grievance against a supe for a violation of the rules you are being disingenuous. If their argument was I'm not allowed to do that therefore I didn't do it you'd laugh them out of the state. Possibly off the planet.</p><p></p><p>I agree with this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sadman101, post: 4297959, member: 79169"] Not as much as you did. Is that your assumption or is it fact? You are missing the point. My point is you are assuming by having 0 hours that means I'm fired. That is not always true. type as slow as you want, you will never start making sense. Your entire point is based on the premise that he dis nothing wrong. That's the major flaw in your reasoning. No, you made assumptions. Everytime you accused me of making a point I never made and me calling you out for being disingenuous. AND, the fact that you seem to ignore the fact that he said you get no hours or resign. No? Ok you are fired. How stupid would he have to be to phrase I'm going to fire you in two different ways. This is entirely your baseless assumption. You assume he meant reduction of hours meant firing despite the fact that then tried to fire me. You are assuming he phrased the same thing 2 ways. Really? He can't? But you said I could grieve him if he did. But if he cant reduce my hours and not fire me, how could I grieve him? Do you see the flaw in your logic? You are implying that because he cannot LEGALLY do that he did not do that. That's absolutely dishonest. If a supe fires you for being ugly, you can sue/grieve him. If you went onto a forum and said I was fired for being ugly and the response was, "he can't do that, he must have just fired you because he can fire anyone for no reason." How freaking dumb would that be. That's assuming he was following the rules, dude. just tried* I'm not even sure, probably a ups rep with the horrible defense here. I agreed with almost everything you have said because the points you addressed were a ghosts points that only you saw. There is only 1 single thing we disagree on, and that was the intent behind the labor managers words. The fact that you dont see that is absolute evidence of your agenda here. No, some straight said he cant fire you for that, or if he could have he would have. Again, assumptions out the ass here. you are missing the point again, man. That's your assumption, not fact. You pretend to know what he meant. The very fact that him trying to fire me after was different than the reduction of hours proves your point wrong. If you assume everyone follows the rules how can you grieve anyone for breaking rules? Let me ask you, do you really think the smartest way to say resign or be fired is to say "resign or I will remove you from the schedule, give you no work and put the process in to get you fired."? Be honest now. What then does it mean to immediately after effectively say "you're fired" on the spot. How are those the same thing? You are implying he said I fire you or I fire you now or you resign. Illogical. Look at how you phrase this. The steward knew the rules. And then at the end of your point. The steward was wrong. To break it down further The steward knew, the steward didn't know. How can you so surely say the steward knew the rules if he was wrong about how I wouldn't get the job back? So in your world this steward can be trusted? Yes or no? I was waiting for this. For me, it's my first job, for you, it's probably your last. The worst part about playing the "I'm better than you" card in situations like this is, we both were in the same place. But if you want to go further down this road, let's compare, how much do you make a year? Don't be scared now. Again, your argument is the faulty shop steward knew what he was talking about. And the labor manager isn't allowed to break the rules therefore he couldn't possibly break the rules. I might as well ask the blind guy to testify as he saw the whole thing. If you have EVER filed a grievance against a supe for a violation of the rules you are being disingenuous. If their argument was I'm not allowed to do that therefore I didn't do it you'd laugh them out of the state. Possibly off the planet. I agree with this. [/QUOTE]
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