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<blockquote data-quote="atatbl" data-source="post: 479534" data-attributes="member: 12890"><p>I would go through your counter statement point by point, but that would be wasting both your time and mine.... much more mine by having to manually re-quote.</p><p></p><p>I will hit on this point though. </p><p></p><p>You said:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Are you taking the stance that the company is not profitable while still making poor decisions?</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: red">I have been with ups for 15 years and i have watched ups grow and become more profitable year after year. And i have seen ups make bad decisions while being profitable, so its pretty obvious that it can and has happened.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: red">There are also some great things ups has done and they do deserve credit for. But not on what i had mentioned in my post that you quoted!</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: Black">What you are intrinsically implying is that the company could have made MORE than 5 billion had things been done better. I won't argue about it, I just wanted to point it out. I did realize this was in the cascade of your argument, but I did not think you would type it. It is my stance that the opinion of UPS being able to make a substantial amount more than that last year is simply reckless theorizing. Which is why I won't argue. I do not think tacking on another 50 million, or so, to that number would have been plausible. But that is where we will agree to disagree.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: Black">I guess we will continue to agree to disagree about UPS management's skills in running the business. I will not play devil's advocate to every decision you have deemed "bad" in the management's history. The reason I won't do this is because it is done on a much higher corporate level than you and I every single day. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: Black">To be honest, I get the impression you relate someone you deem as a horrible center manger equal to the people making major financial (read: safety, advertising, regional production goals, cost cutting, layoffs, promotions) decisions for our company on a daily and monthly basis. This is simply not the case. It's corporate America. UPS is unique in the fact that management is only telling you to go get sales leads and not making you regurgitate cookie cutter sales strategies about gift cards, "always be closing", applying for a company's credit card, etc., etc. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p>I didn't say anything about not liking you. I am not sure why you brought that up a couple of times. I explained, maybe harshly, the difference in opinion I had with your posts. I do not believe judging UPS' current management's results is opinion. It is fact. Real numbers. Either they are doing their job or they aren't. I guess I am forced to call your view that they are not making extremely smart and well advised decisions an opinion. The only reason I do this is because it is certainly not based on fact or logic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="atatbl, post: 479534, member: 12890"] I would go through your counter statement point by point, but that would be wasting both your time and mine.... much more mine by having to manually re-quote. I will hit on this point though. You said: [COLOR=red]Are you taking the stance that the company is not profitable while still making poor decisions?[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]I have been with ups for 15 years and i have watched ups grow and become more profitable year after year. And i have seen ups make bad decisions while being profitable, so its pretty obvious that it can and has happened.[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]There are also some great things ups has done and they do deserve credit for. But not on what i had mentioned in my post that you quoted! [COLOR=Black]What you are intrinsically implying is that the company could have made MORE than 5 billion had things been done better. I won't argue about it, I just wanted to point it out. I did realize this was in the cascade of your argument, but I did not think you would type it. It is my stance that the opinion of UPS being able to make a substantial amount more than that last year is simply reckless theorizing. Which is why I won't argue. I do not think tacking on another 50 million, or so, to that number would have been plausible. But that is where we will agree to disagree. I guess we will continue to agree to disagree about UPS management's skills in running the business. I will not play devil's advocate to every decision you have deemed "bad" in the management's history. The reason I won't do this is because it is done on a much higher corporate level than you and I every single day. To be honest, I get the impression you relate someone you deem as a horrible center manger equal to the people making major financial (read: safety, advertising, regional production goals, cost cutting, layoffs, promotions) decisions for our company on a daily and monthly basis. This is simply not the case. It's corporate America. UPS is unique in the fact that management is only telling you to go get sales leads and not making you regurgitate cookie cutter sales strategies about gift cards, "always be closing", applying for a company's credit card, etc., etc. [/COLOR][/COLOR] I didn't say anything about not liking you. I am not sure why you brought that up a couple of times. I explained, maybe harshly, the difference in opinion I had with your posts. I do not believe judging UPS' current management's results is opinion. It is fact. Real numbers. Either they are doing their job or they aren't. I guess I am forced to call your view that they are not making extremely smart and well advised decisions an opinion. The only reason I do this is because it is certainly not based on fact or logic. [/QUOTE]
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