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Maybe getting rid of 2/3 isn't a good idea..
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<blockquote data-quote="Inthegame" data-source="post: 3955321" data-attributes="member: 37112"><p>Locals have been mentioned by others throughout this thread and you didn't specify your query was strictly about charges against IBT officials early on. You also suggested locals were included with the "not <strong>just</strong> locals" retort.</p><p>Anyway, bylaws have the charging mechanism spelled out.</p><p>Lets review facts, not opinions. I have no idea about your "case", as you haven't expounded on it. But I believe your position is unreasonable.</p><p></p><p>While I respect Bubble I believe the connection he's going for is strained and incongruous. There is no "tenable" position in defense of comparing a dictatorship or monarchy to our representational form of union governance.</p><p></p><p>However disappointed any member may be in any contract issue or in your theory of misbehavior, the members always have the final voice through their vote, both on contracts or on the officials who negotiated same.</p><p></p><p>Members also vote on delegates that form the Constitutional "rules", including voting procedures (2/3's, 50%) and internal accountability mechanisms.</p><p></p><p>So yes, we as members have the accountability we've allowed through our vote.</p><p></p><p>Name me one monarchy or totalitarian dictatorship that has that?</p><p>Agreed, and as long as the discussion includes getting actively involved I'm good. In my experience, the best way to learn about the system (and leaders) is attending local union meetings.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Inthegame, post: 3955321, member: 37112"] Locals have been mentioned by others throughout this thread and you didn't specify your query was strictly about charges against IBT officials early on. You also suggested locals were included with the "not [B]just[/B] locals" retort. Anyway, bylaws have the charging mechanism spelled out. Lets review facts, not opinions. I have no idea about your "case", as you haven't expounded on it. But I believe your position is unreasonable. While I respect Bubble I believe the connection he's going for is strained and incongruous. There is no "tenable" position in defense of comparing a dictatorship or monarchy to our representational form of union governance. However disappointed any member may be in any contract issue or in your theory of misbehavior, the members always have the final voice through their vote, both on contracts or on the officials who negotiated same. Members also vote on delegates that form the Constitutional "rules", including voting procedures (2/3's, 50%) and internal accountability mechanisms. So yes, we as members have the accountability we've allowed through our vote. Name me one monarchy or totalitarian dictatorship that has that? Agreed, and as long as the discussion includes getting actively involved I'm good. In my experience, the best way to learn about the system (and leaders) is attending local union meetings. [/QUOTE]
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