Maybe getting rid of 2/3 isn't a good idea..

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Utahloader, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. Utahloader

    Utahloader Member

    Nothing would pass, let's be honest. I don't agree with the newest contract, me a driver, and my wife a PT'er. She got the short end of the stick by far. I also agree most don't care to vote, or be active with our union. I just feel like it would never pass. Someone convince me otherwise?
     
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  2. 3 done 3 to go

    3 done 3 to go In control of own destiny

    If it is :censored2: that the UNION gives us. It should be voted down. The UNION used to represent the members. Now it is to get the millions it can get from UPS. Without that money. There would be no Teamsters. But, I think they just killed themselves. By taking away our right to vote. I don't care if 10 people voted. Then it passed or failed. The members have lost democracy. To bully liberals who steal votes away from all of us. This should scare everyone. They will eventually run into our national electorate.
     
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  3. Days

    Days Active Member

    They can change the language so that our union leaders can still pass it but there won’t be any justification to do. Hoffa passed this last one and pretty much used the 2/3rds rule as an excuse
     
  4. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    Want people to vote, it’s really easy.

    Next contract put in the language that until there is 50% turnout, we will work under the current contract, with no retro pay even if raises are negotiated in the new contract.

    Yes or no, you’ll get turnout none the less.
     
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  5. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    I am never one to bash the union but I totally get this . You cant stress the importance of voting to members to only turn over their votes .
     
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  6. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    You think there would never be a simple majority yes vote on a contract? I'd say it's way less likely to vote down a national ups contract under the 50% 2/3 rule.
     
  7. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Nothing would pass?


    Only every other contract in the history of ups/teamsters has passed without using the 2/3 language.
     
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  8. Utahloader

    Utahloader Member

    Thats also when Teamsters were a hell of a lot more informed and on the same page. The new generation seems to want to vote no, no matter the contract. 50% turnout seems fair. If we can't get that turn out, we should continue under old contract with no retro pay. As a young driver it amazes me how many senior drivers know nothing, or don't care about our union. We need a spark, something to get people to care.
     
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  9. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    Why is everyone raging on Hoffa/Hall ?


    The impudent Ron Carey and TDU.... played their same old game.

    Look what happened with the TDU "princess".

    She took the money.... and run.
     
  10. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    You can keep deferring

    But, it’s really not helping your cause



    Burr
     
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  11. BadIdeaGuy

    BadIdeaGuy Don't discriminate against blind preloaders

    Terrible argument.
    Stop bringing up what other people do.

    Deal with the substance of the issue; don't just hide behind "well they did it too".
    Almost every issue I see you post on, you sidestep, and resort to ad hominems, or other deflections.
     
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  12. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    And we wonder why there’s a disconnect between leadership and membership...
     
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  13. Staydryitsraining

    Staydryitsraining Active Member

    As a whole the union unless changed drastically in the next election is dead. Only place I can see it being worth a :censored2: is the north east.
     
  14. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    As a retiree;

    Do you wish.... you had done more.... when you had the chance ?
     
  15. 3 done 3 to go

    3 done 3 to go In control of own destiny

    What a.pathetic cop out. It is never about who was. It's all up to who is coming. The ones who came did great. It wasn't till weak (Hoffa) leaders started to sell out membership. For UPS money. To survive. Also would love to see if their bank accounts grew each contract yrs. You do see what is next? Ups owns the Teamsters union. It is up to them to end it.
     
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  16. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Yep ups is the teamster golden goose. If/when the pensions die the teamsters die and ups is their only hope of propping up that up.
     
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  17. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    1) while there is a strong contingent that seems to want to just vote no I don’t think it’s anywhere near 50%

    2) this contract had some really big legitimate reasons to vote no.
     
  18. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    That’s water under the bridge

    Let’s talk about what’s going on today

    Are you doing all you can do or just riding coattails


    Burr
     
  19. lolbr

    lolbr Active Member

    I'll say it again. The 2/3 rule can and should be changed. Need to spread the word around, then one January put it up at a union meeting. After 3 months of it being read at the meetings, it would go up for a vote. Here's something to start with:

     
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  20. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    It's an unprecedented dynamic at UPS vs most other traditional vocations, where 65% of the members here are part timers....most of the indigent variety.

    This antiquated 50%-two-thirds rule, if it ever had a place in our Union, for sure has no place in 21 century UPS contract negotiations.

    It must be abolished.
     
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