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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4626032" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>I was trying to figure out over/under for my first two years of driving, because it seemed random as far as I could tell. A user on here from a while back, I believe his name as pretzelman or p-man (I can't find his posts or name in search anymore, maybe one of the guys whose been here since the beginning can chime in on the guy I'm talking about) who was an IE guy who had a lot of good info on how over/under was calculated.</p><p></p><p>From what I remember you get:</p><p></p><p>A set amount of inside time for before leaving and after getting back.</p><p></p><p>A set amount of time for each stop and each piece.</p><p></p><p>Miles driven multiplied by a preset average speed for the route to get time for driving.</p><p></p><p>Each address has had a virtual time study in which they measure the distance from the center of the street to the front door, then assign each address a factor to determine how much extra time (if any) is needed for that stop. (As far as I can tell this is a complete failure for multi-stop addresses)</p><p></p><p>Extra time for overweights, which are now entered automatically, we used to have to do it manually to get the credit. </p><p></p><p>Extra time for signatures. I'm under the impression that they have tightened up allowances for commercial addresses since CIR came out.</p><p></p><p>I have heard that each driver gets assigned a factor that follows them around regardless of route. I believe this because I have witnessed my 1/2 hour bonus turn into 1/2 of over allowed from one day to the next with no real significant changes to my route or how long it took to do it, and it has stayed that way ever since.</p><p></p><p>Then they supposedly give extra time (around 10%) for delay, fatigue and personal (tying your shoe, blowing your nose, etc). </p><p></p><p>And they are supposed to factor in your breaks.</p><p></p><p>Add all that up, compare it to actual hours worked, and that's how you get under/over.</p><p></p><p>I'm probably forgetting a few, but that should be a good start.</p><p></p><p>Orion does it's own calculations. I find it hilarious that UPS use two different systems to measure how fast you should do your route, one for planning and one for productivity, and they don't agree. I believe Orion is as screwed up as it is because the under/over system is so fraudulent. The dispatcher dispatches based on stops per car handed down from above, then assigns stops to different routes to meet spc, while looking at what planned days look like for the stops per each car. Orion gets those stops, and tries to figure out the best way to run it. It can't come up with a smart way to run a route because they try to shove too much work onto a route and it can't meet it's own parameters. I'm pretty sure that's why my Orion appears completely randomized most days.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4626032, member: 63706"] I was trying to figure out over/under for my first two years of driving, because it seemed random as far as I could tell. A user on here from a while back, I believe his name as pretzelman or p-man (I can't find his posts or name in search anymore, maybe one of the guys whose been here since the beginning can chime in on the guy I'm talking about) who was an IE guy who had a lot of good info on how over/under was calculated. From what I remember you get: A set amount of inside time for before leaving and after getting back. A set amount of time for each stop and each piece. Miles driven multiplied by a preset average speed for the route to get time for driving. Each address has had a virtual time study in which they measure the distance from the center of the street to the front door, then assign each address a factor to determine how much extra time (if any) is needed for that stop. (As far as I can tell this is a complete failure for multi-stop addresses) Extra time for overweights, which are now entered automatically, we used to have to do it manually to get the credit. Extra time for signatures. I'm under the impression that they have tightened up allowances for commercial addresses since CIR came out. I have heard that each driver gets assigned a factor that follows them around regardless of route. I believe this because I have witnessed my 1/2 hour bonus turn into 1/2 of over allowed from one day to the next with no real significant changes to my route or how long it took to do it, and it has stayed that way ever since. Then they supposedly give extra time (around 10%) for delay, fatigue and personal (tying your shoe, blowing your nose, etc). And they are supposed to factor in your breaks. Add all that up, compare it to actual hours worked, and that's how you get under/over. I'm probably forgetting a few, but that should be a good start. Orion does it's own calculations. I find it hilarious that UPS use two different systems to measure how fast you should do your route, one for planning and one for productivity, and they don't agree. I believe Orion is as screwed up as it is because the under/over system is so fraudulent. The dispatcher dispatches based on stops per car handed down from above, then assigns stops to different routes to meet spc, while looking at what planned days look like for the stops per each car. Orion gets those stops, and tries to figure out the best way to run it. It can't come up with a smart way to run a route because they try to shove too much work onto a route and it can't meet it's own parameters. I'm pretty sure that's why my Orion appears completely randomized most days. [/QUOTE]
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