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<blockquote data-quote="BigUnionGuy" data-source="post: 173888" data-attributes="member: 4992"><p>brett,</p><p></p><p><strong>Here is something to laugh at.... spin wants to quote me from T-net.... but got "spanked" over at T-net.....</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">New Member</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Group: Members</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Posts: 22</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Joined: 11-March 05</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Member No.: 4,377</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mr Moderator,</p><p>Thankyou for your forward response. Your concerns are noted and you should be applauded for attempting to maintain the integrity of Teamster.net as the International Brotherhood of Teamsters has always been a bastion and champion for integrity. Please allow me to address your concerns.</p><p></p><p><strong>1. They are not a union.</strong></p><p>APWA IS NOT A UNION. This is an association of UPS employees who are displeased with the representation and pension management provided by its current collective bargaining agent. APWA will not be a union until a vote to decertify and replace has occurred among UPS hourly employees.</p><p><strong>2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding the so-called APWA and no such body exists. </strong></p><p>There will be no paperwork filed with the USDL until a vote to decertify and replace the current agent has been initiated. But stay posted, as before this year is out there will be paperwork filed with the NLRB.</p><p><strong>3. The APWA has not held any election for anything.</strong></p><p>Please see above</p><p><strong>4. The APWA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.</strong></p><p>Since when is this a requirement to validate a representative entity? Teamster members had to sue IBT to see its finances.</p><p><strong>5. The APWA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website. </strong></p><p>APWA leadership is comprised of Van Skillman, a feeder driver of 25yrs in Greensboro, NC; Danny Eason, a feeder driver of 32yrs in Raleigh, NC. They can be contacted through their website.</p><p><strong>6. The APWA has no physical address</strong>.</p><p>APWA</p><p>P. O. Box 58427</p><p>Raleigh, NC 27658</p><p>The need for administrative offices/meeting halls will follow decertification vote.</p><p><strong>7. The APWA asks for money. </strong></p><p>APWA accepts donations and financial support from individuals who are displeased with Teamster representation and wish to replace their bargaining agent. Teamsters does the same thing,,except these monies are called union dues. And as Ive talked to some of the guys….they aint too happy about paying these dues to the Teamsters anymore.</p><p><strong>8. No aspect of the APWA can be confirmed as legitimate</strong>.</p><p>Please visit Delaware's corporation status website(<a href="http://www.state.de.us/corp/onlinestatus.shtml" target="_blank"><u>http://www.state.de.us/corp/onlinestatus.shtml</u></a>) file number 3893754 to verify the corporation status. IRS granted tax exempt status to APWA in the last quarter of 2005. If you so wish, im sure the IRS would provide you with information they have available.</p><p><strong>9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website. </strong></p><p>Anonymity is not deception. Web based forums thrive on anonymity and the free flow of ideas without fear of endangerment by opposing parties. Seeing that Teamsters is synonymous with felony and mob related activities, I could see where the need for anonymity would be heightened. And as I reviewed some of the older posts, I noticed that members defaming APWA might have used multiple identities. That door swings both ways, Mr Moderator.</p><p><strong>10. Not one person claiming to be with APWA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward. </strong></p><p>Have you emailed this question to APWA? Have you made the effort to contact them and ask these questions? They do not read minds, but they do read email. I am not an APWA officer, nor have I ever been a union representative/shop steward. How does this disqualify me from serving a group of my co-workers should I so desire? From what I hear, this was not an issue with the large group of drivers in attendance several weeks ago in Lousiville and Tennessee. Any leadership with integrity, and a vision for the future is an improvement on what is currently in place.</p><p><strong>11. ”Until the so-called APWA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position.”</strong></p><p>In requiring these expectations, which you know will only be realized after Teamsters has been decertified, you establish a weak validation for your censorship. But I guess there are some perks to being a web board moderator.</p><p><strong>12. ”One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here.”</strong></p><p>That’s not a bad idea. But even if it does happen, this would not remove discussion from your webboard. Any forum where UPS employees meet to converse will encounter these topics. Im afraid this discussion is in no means isolated to teamster.net.</p><p></p><p>Thankyou and have a lovely day.</p><p>Nospin</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigUnionGuy, post: 173888, member: 4992"] brett, [B]Here is something to laugh at.... spin wants to quote me from T-net.... but got "spanked" over at T-net.....[/B] [SIZE=1]New Member[/SIZE] [SIZE=1]Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 11-March 05 Member No.: 4,377[/SIZE] Mr Moderator, Thankyou for your forward response. Your concerns are noted and you should be applauded for attempting to maintain the integrity of Teamster.net as the International Brotherhood of Teamsters has always been a bastion and champion for integrity. Please allow me to address your concerns. [B]1. They are not a union.[/B] APWA IS NOT A UNION. This is an association of UPS employees who are displeased with the representation and pension management provided by its current collective bargaining agent. APWA will not be a union until a vote to decertify and replace has occurred among UPS hourly employees. [B]2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding the so-called APWA and no such body exists. [/B] There will be no paperwork filed with the USDL until a vote to decertify and replace the current agent has been initiated. But stay posted, as before this year is out there will be paperwork filed with the NLRB. [B]3. The APWA has not held any election for anything.[/B] Please see above [B]4. The APWA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.[/B] Since when is this a requirement to validate a representative entity? Teamster members had to sue IBT to see its finances. [B]5. The APWA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website. [/B] APWA leadership is comprised of Van Skillman, a feeder driver of 25yrs in Greensboro, NC; Danny Eason, a feeder driver of 32yrs in Raleigh, NC. They can be contacted through their website. [B]6. The APWA has no physical address[/B]. APWA P. O. Box 58427 Raleigh, NC 27658 The need for administrative offices/meeting halls will follow decertification vote. [B]7. The APWA asks for money. [/B] APWA accepts donations and financial support from individuals who are displeased with Teamster representation and wish to replace their bargaining agent. Teamsters does the same thing,,except these monies are called union dues. And as Ive talked to some of the guys….they aint too happy about paying these dues to the Teamsters anymore. [B]8. No aspect of the APWA can be confirmed as legitimate[/B]. Please visit Delaware's corporation status website([URL='http://www.state.de.us/corp/onlinestatus.shtml'][U]http://www.state.de.us/corp/onlinestatus.shtml[/U][/URL]) file number 3893754 to verify the corporation status. IRS granted tax exempt status to APWA in the last quarter of 2005. If you so wish, im sure the IRS would provide you with information they have available. [B]9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website. [/B] Anonymity is not deception. Web based forums thrive on anonymity and the free flow of ideas without fear of endangerment by opposing parties. Seeing that Teamsters is synonymous with felony and mob related activities, I could see where the need for anonymity would be heightened. And as I reviewed some of the older posts, I noticed that members defaming APWA might have used multiple identities. That door swings both ways, Mr Moderator. [B]10. Not one person claiming to be with APWA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward. [/B] Have you emailed this question to APWA? Have you made the effort to contact them and ask these questions? They do not read minds, but they do read email. I am not an APWA officer, nor have I ever been a union representative/shop steward. How does this disqualify me from serving a group of my co-workers should I so desire? From what I hear, this was not an issue with the large group of drivers in attendance several weeks ago in Lousiville and Tennessee. Any leadership with integrity, and a vision for the future is an improvement on what is currently in place. [B]11. ”Until the so-called APWA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position.”[/B] In requiring these expectations, which you know will only be realized after Teamsters has been decertified, you establish a weak validation for your censorship. But I guess there are some perks to being a web board moderator. [B]12. ”One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here.”[/B] That’s not a bad idea. But even if it does happen, this would not remove discussion from your webboard. Any forum where UPS employees meet to converse will encounter these topics. Im afraid this discussion is in no means isolated to teamster.net. Thankyou and have a lovely day. Nospin [/QUOTE]
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