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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 390813" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I've not watched the convention because in my case, what's the point. I'm not voting democrat or republican so why waste the time. That said, last night I was watching TV late and on a news show they played a sound clip of Biden's speech and it happened to be the part where Joe was explaining how Obama was right about Afghanistan and if elected, we're going back in to finish the job.</p><p></p><p>Well student of history and geopolitics that I am (1st grade level LOL!) I remembered back abit to several pieces of historical note. And here they are.</p><p></p><p>The first is a 1998' interview with President Carter's National Security Advisor Zbiegniew Brezenski who made a startling admission in that in July of 1979', Carter ordered our covert operatives to begin supporting rebel efforts in Afghanistan to bait the Soviets into a war in that region.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.thismodernworld.com/pages/jour/jour_11_2.html" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #810081">http://www.thismodernworld.com/pages/jour/jour_11_2.html</span></u></a></p><p></p><p>The admission was no real surprise but here's another campaign advisor to Obama who speaks with Hegemic tone about "a bunch of stirred up moslems" as though they were some pawn on a geo-political chessboard for him to move and sacrifice at will. A "NEO-CON" democrat if you will?</p><p></p><p>Next is a piece published by GlobalResearch and oddly the date was Sept. 12, 2001. Yep, the next day after the big event. Very telling IMO and especially so in light of the interview above.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #810081">http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html</span></u></a></p><p></p><p>When one looks outside the area of Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran and looks at the bigger picture of central Asia and the Balkans, IMO one gets a sense that our adventures against the Soviet Bear in the late 70's and 80's came back to haunt us.</p><p></p><p>Finally, from Sept. 15, 2001 and the web publication Counterpunch. The words of Afghan Regiment Commander for the Soviet Afghan Theater forces, Col. Yuri Shamanov who said the following:</p><p></p><p>"If the Americans go to war," he told a Reuters reporter last week, "I pity these boys and their mothers and sisters and brothers. It will be ten times worse than Vietnam. Vietnam will be a picnic by comparison. Here they will get it in the teeth. Oh. They will get it good. Rockets won't save you: there's nothing out there to shoot at. Blast away years' worth of ammo. The mountains will survive anything. The Afghans will be ready to fight, no worse than they fought against us, and they fought very well against us. What will the US do there? Unless a narrow mission is set to destroy the camps and the most odious figures &shy; if they do only that then God bless them. Paratroopers can take the camps. But if you don't send infantry, there is nothing for tanks and planes to do. If you don't actually march through the territory, it will come back to life again. And there will be camps and the same bandits. You can get rid of bin Laden, then another will grow. You have to dig out this whole system by its roots."</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100619220907/http://counterpunch.org/russianwarn.html" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #810081">https://web.archive.org/web/20100619220907/http://counterpunch.org/russianwarn.html</span></u></a></p><p></p><p>Scroll down to the title,</p><p>Russian Colonel</p><p>Remembers Afghanistan:</p><p>"Don't Try It!"</p><p></p><p>If anyone had illusions that Obama was antiwar then Biden's speech last night should have ended that real quick. These guys have sat in the Congress and avoided their responsibility under the Constitution while letting Bush and the barbarian hordes trample the very pillars of freedom our forefathers fought and died for. All the while getting face time on C-Span and other MSM outlets to blame Bush at every corner for all that is wrong. The real culprit IMO is the Congress who abdicate their duties for the soul purpose of protecting themselves for re-election. Bush may have drawn up the plans but not a thing would go the first step without funding and at every turn, the democrats, Obama and Biden in the thick of it, funed every need to the penny.</p><p></p><p>The definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result! Keep that in mind when you walk into that voting booth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 390813, member: 2189"] I've not watched the convention because in my case, what's the point. I'm not voting democrat or republican so why waste the time. That said, last night I was watching TV late and on a news show they played a sound clip of Biden's speech and it happened to be the part where Joe was explaining how Obama was right about Afghanistan and if elected, we're going back in to finish the job. Well student of history and geopolitics that I am (1st grade level LOL!) I remembered back abit to several pieces of historical note. And here they are. The first is a 1998' interview with President Carter's National Security Advisor Zbiegniew Brezenski who made a startling admission in that in July of 1979', Carter ordered our covert operatives to begin supporting rebel efforts in Afghanistan to bait the Soviets into a war in that region. [URL='http://www.thismodernworld.com/pages/jour/jour_11_2.html'][U][COLOR=#810081]http://www.thismodernworld.com/pages/jour/jour_11_2.html[/COLOR][/U][/URL] The admission was no real surprise but here's another campaign advisor to Obama who speaks with Hegemic tone about "a bunch of stirred up moslems" as though they were some pawn on a geo-political chessboard for him to move and sacrifice at will. A "NEO-CON" democrat if you will? Next is a piece published by GlobalResearch and oddly the date was Sept. 12, 2001. Yep, the next day after the big event. Very telling IMO and especially so in light of the interview above. [URL='http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html'][U][COLOR=#810081]http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html[/COLOR][/U][/URL] When one looks outside the area of Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran and looks at the bigger picture of central Asia and the Balkans, IMO one gets a sense that our adventures against the Soviet Bear in the late 70's and 80's came back to haunt us. Finally, from Sept. 15, 2001 and the web publication Counterpunch. The words of Afghan Regiment Commander for the Soviet Afghan Theater forces, Col. Yuri Shamanov who said the following: "If the Americans go to war," he told a Reuters reporter last week, "I pity these boys and their mothers and sisters and brothers. It will be ten times worse than Vietnam. Vietnam will be a picnic by comparison. Here they will get it in the teeth. Oh. They will get it good. Rockets won't save you: there's nothing out there to shoot at. Blast away years' worth of ammo. The mountains will survive anything. The Afghans will be ready to fight, no worse than they fought against us, and they fought very well against us. What will the US do there? Unless a narrow mission is set to destroy the camps and the most odious figures ­ if they do only that then God bless them. Paratroopers can take the camps. But if you don't send infantry, there is nothing for tanks and planes to do. If you don't actually march through the territory, it will come back to life again. And there will be camps and the same bandits. You can get rid of bin Laden, then another will grow. You have to dig out this whole system by its roots." [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20100619220907/http://counterpunch.org/russianwarn.html'][U][COLOR=#810081]https://web.archive.org/web/20100619220907/http://counterpunch.org/russianwarn.html[/COLOR][/U][/URL] Scroll down to the title, Russian Colonel Remembers Afghanistan: "Don't Try It!" If anyone had illusions that Obama was antiwar then Biden's speech last night should have ended that real quick. These guys have sat in the Congress and avoided their responsibility under the Constitution while letting Bush and the barbarian hordes trample the very pillars of freedom our forefathers fought and died for. All the while getting face time on C-Span and other MSM outlets to blame Bush at every corner for all that is wrong. The real culprit IMO is the Congress who abdicate their duties for the soul purpose of protecting themselves for re-election. Bush may have drawn up the plans but not a thing would go the first step without funding and at every turn, the democrats, Obama and Biden in the thick of it, funed every need to the penny. The definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result! Keep that in mind when you walk into that voting booth. [/QUOTE]
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