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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 935916" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>804brown;</p><p></p><p>I'm not a big Romney fan...but when speak of him as a "vulture" when he's "only pay[ing] 13-14% in taxes" - which consists of MILLIONS of dollars! - then you've kinda' got my attention. Tell me, are YOU paying millions in taxes each year? And would you care to explain why someone like Romney, regardless of rate, should pay remarkably MORE each year than someone such as yourself? Is he using significantly MORE of the country's governmental resources that you do, for example? His car take up more space on the highways? His kids use more public education resources than others? Does he utilize remarkably more of the other public social services available, such as police and fire protection than you? In fact, do you believe that the taxes HE pays aren't covering his "own hook"? And, without knowing your financial status, are you willing to tell me that he doesn't pay HUNDREDS - if not THOUSANDS - of times as much in taxes each year than you? Assuming the answer (a good assumption, I might add!) let's say that I question YOU calling HIM a "vulture". In fact, if direct comparisons were made, I expect that, if anyone's the relative "vulture", it would be YOU. YOU, I suspect, are feeding like a "vulture" on those like HIM! </p><p></p><p>Now, let's talk about those who you say "contribute". Just how much are they "contributing"? What are THEIR contributions toward education? Toward police and fire protection? For the highways they drive on? Think the ENTIRE BUNCH OF 'EM - say the 130 MILLION or so of 'em! - in terms of their net Federal "contribution", in TOTAL are "contributing" as much as that one "vulture" Romney? Yeah...right! Fact is, with THEIR "contribution" they're not even beginning to cover their OWN hook; they have to be SUBSIDIZED to exist. That's simply not the type of "contribution" this country can continue to sustain itself on. SOMEHOW, these people have to be motivated to CARRY THEIR OWN WEIGHT! Have any ideas? Or at least any ideas that don't include "gimme, gimme"?</p><p></p><p>Bear in my mind that we're not talking about the needy elderly, or the handicapped here... but rather quite fit individuals who COULD, if they so choose, "occupy" a position at Wal-Mart, or McDonald's, or even at UPS. Instead, they sit their dead asses on public property (property which, while "public", THEY have never "contributed" to making available), stinking up the place, with occasional outbursts leading to things like the flag burning episode. Now, if that type of people are NOT parasites, then I don't know what your definition of "parasite" is. Seems to me their existence is DEPENDENT on how much they can exploit the good will of others. Sound enough definition for me!</p><p></p><p>But, again, perhaps NON-vultures such as yourself are willing to support them. Go right ahead; be our guest. But PLEASE don't join in their cacophony of "gimme, gimme". And PLEASE don't call those who make your existence possible "vultures"; I think you know as well as I that, without the presence of such "vultures" in our society, guys like you would have a very hard time of it. After all, do you think unions - and union members - could even exist without such "vultures" to employ them? I mean are guys like YOU going to provide this nation's jobs?</p><p></p><p>Real good chance of that, isn't there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 935916, member: 16651"] 804brown; I'm not a big Romney fan...but when speak of him as a "vulture" when he's "only pay[ing] 13-14% in taxes" - which consists of MILLIONS of dollars! - then you've kinda' got my attention. Tell me, are YOU paying millions in taxes each year? And would you care to explain why someone like Romney, regardless of rate, should pay remarkably MORE each year than someone such as yourself? Is he using significantly MORE of the country's governmental resources that you do, for example? His car take up more space on the highways? His kids use more public education resources than others? Does he utilize remarkably more of the other public social services available, such as police and fire protection than you? In fact, do you believe that the taxes HE pays aren't covering his "own hook"? And, without knowing your financial status, are you willing to tell me that he doesn't pay HUNDREDS - if not THOUSANDS - of times as much in taxes each year than you? Assuming the answer (a good assumption, I might add!) let's say that I question YOU calling HIM a "vulture". In fact, if direct comparisons were made, I expect that, if anyone's the relative "vulture", it would be YOU. YOU, I suspect, are feeding like a "vulture" on those like HIM! Now, let's talk about those who you say "contribute". Just how much are they "contributing"? What are THEIR contributions toward education? Toward police and fire protection? For the highways they drive on? Think the ENTIRE BUNCH OF 'EM - say the 130 MILLION or so of 'em! - in terms of their net Federal "contribution", in TOTAL are "contributing" as much as that one "vulture" Romney? Yeah...right! Fact is, with THEIR "contribution" they're not even beginning to cover their OWN hook; they have to be SUBSIDIZED to exist. That's simply not the type of "contribution" this country can continue to sustain itself on. SOMEHOW, these people have to be motivated to CARRY THEIR OWN WEIGHT! Have any ideas? Or at least any ideas that don't include "gimme, gimme"? Bear in my mind that we're not talking about the needy elderly, or the handicapped here... but rather quite fit individuals who COULD, if they so choose, "occupy" a position at Wal-Mart, or McDonald's, or even at UPS. Instead, they sit their dead asses on public property (property which, while "public", THEY have never "contributed" to making available), stinking up the place, with occasional outbursts leading to things like the flag burning episode. Now, if that type of people are NOT parasites, then I don't know what your definition of "parasite" is. Seems to me their existence is DEPENDENT on how much they can exploit the good will of others. Sound enough definition for me! But, again, perhaps NON-vultures such as yourself are willing to support them. Go right ahead; be our guest. But PLEASE don't join in their cacophony of "gimme, gimme". And PLEASE don't call those who make your existence possible "vultures"; I think you know as well as I that, without the presence of such "vultures" in our society, guys like you would have a very hard time of it. After all, do you think unions - and union members - could even exist without such "vultures" to employ them? I mean are guys like YOU going to provide this nation's jobs? Real good chance of that, isn't there? [/QUOTE]
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