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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 936261" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>bbsam;</p><p></p><p>Again, WHAT do they have to "negotiate" WITH? What do they HAVE that the other side might WANT?</p><p></p><p>You do see, don't you, that you didn't mention EVEN A SINGLE ITEM which the "occupy" crowd HAS that the other side might WANT! What you're saying they might have "had" isn't going to cut it; you can't trade that which you don't have NOW. So again...what do they "negotiate" with?</p><p></p><p>So the populace "finds its voice"; what good is that going to do when it comes to convincing those who have the jobs to make those jobs available to them? If they don't have ANYTHING to OFFER - in terms of cost-effectiveness, efficiency, price, etc. - then what incentive are there for capitalists to "negotiate" offering those jobs to them? Why wouldn't they go someplace where the potential work force DID have something to offer?</p><p></p><p>You see, ultimately politicians alone can't provide REAL jobs. Nor can they, over the long term, FORCE entrepreneurs and capitalists to provide them. In fact, if politicians advance TOO far along that path, they quickly find THEIR funding (and jobs!) in jeopardy. You simply can't coerce initiative and capital to do your bidding like they're a flock of sheep; things just don't work that way. And attempts to coerce them - and Lord knows there have been many throughout history - have INVARIABLY ultimately failed. Witness the Directorate/Council of 500 of the French Revolution. Or the Communist Revolution in Russia. Or the regimes of North Korea and Cuba. Or even Venezuela today. The people can "find their voice" all they want...but if they don't have something to OFFER in terms of the economy, then their "voice" is just so much meaningless noise.</p><p></p><p>As I see it, that's what the "occupy" movement has primarily been; to paraphrase Shakespeare (I think; my quotations get mixed-up sometimes!) they are "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". I can't help but think that turn of a phrase pretty much sums the "occupy" crowd's situation up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 936261, member: 16651"] bbsam; Again, WHAT do they have to "negotiate" WITH? What do they HAVE that the other side might WANT? You do see, don't you, that you didn't mention EVEN A SINGLE ITEM which the "occupy" crowd HAS that the other side might WANT! What you're saying they might have "had" isn't going to cut it; you can't trade that which you don't have NOW. So again...what do they "negotiate" with? So the populace "finds its voice"; what good is that going to do when it comes to convincing those who have the jobs to make those jobs available to them? If they don't have ANYTHING to OFFER - in terms of cost-effectiveness, efficiency, price, etc. - then what incentive are there for capitalists to "negotiate" offering those jobs to them? Why wouldn't they go someplace where the potential work force DID have something to offer? You see, ultimately politicians alone can't provide REAL jobs. Nor can they, over the long term, FORCE entrepreneurs and capitalists to provide them. In fact, if politicians advance TOO far along that path, they quickly find THEIR funding (and jobs!) in jeopardy. You simply can't coerce initiative and capital to do your bidding like they're a flock of sheep; things just don't work that way. And attempts to coerce them - and Lord knows there have been many throughout history - have INVARIABLY ultimately failed. Witness the Directorate/Council of 500 of the French Revolution. Or the Communist Revolution in Russia. Or the regimes of North Korea and Cuba. Or even Venezuela today. The people can "find their voice" all they want...but if they don't have something to OFFER in terms of the economy, then their "voice" is just so much meaningless noise. As I see it, that's what the "occupy" movement has primarily been; to paraphrase Shakespeare (I think; my quotations get mixed-up sometimes!) they are "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". I can't help but think that turn of a phrase pretty much sums the "occupy" crowd's situation up. [/QUOTE]
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