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<blockquote data-quote="bbsam" data-source="post: 936420" data-attributes="member: 22662"><p>Recently, Apple made it clear that they did not feel that it is their duty to solve the world's economic crisis. It's not "fair" to ask corporations to do such things. Fine. Who then does Apple turn to when intellectual property rights are infringed upon? Suddenly "fair" has a whole new meaning. </p><p></p><p>I thought I had made it clear, but I will try again. OWS and in general the growing populist sentiment in the country has one thing to offer corporations: their very existence. Corporations are man made entities and as such can be regulated as governments so determine. By tax code or regulation they can be driven to be responsible to the populace. You mention historic failures. What about it's successes? Chrysler had no chance but that the U.S. government bet on it with huge tax incentives and loans to Fiat. The auto industry as a whole is alive and doing quite well in job creation because of government intervention. Even Ford has acknowledged that without the bailouts, it's parts manufactures would have forced it into perilous existence. Or what about banks? In the face of financial melt-down, only the government could save banks from their own misguided low-risk/high reward schemes. There is no reason the government should bail it out with tax-payer money at 0% interest so that they can loan it to the U.S. government in the form of bonds at 2% interest. It's ludicrous. But we don't have to take it. Maybe it's time to burn the house to the ground. Maybe we need to decide that if we're not going to prosper together, we'll let the whole thing fall. They say that if Europe goes into an economic collapse, America may well follow. What about the converse? Imagine what happens if America pulls the plug. It's an uphill battle. Corporations are free to attempt to "buy" elections and they regularly play both sides of the aisle. Ultimately, we do make to rules and the growing inequality only fuels the OWS movement.</p><p></p><p>It's funny you should reference both "Sound and Fury" and the French Revolution. Can you imagine the motivation behind Marien Antoinette as she famously intoned, "Let them eat cake"? Indeed the rabble in the street must have seemed to her to be "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." History is full of systems tilting power and wealth too far into the hands of the few, of the 1%. It doesn't often end well, but we're America, damnit. We are better than that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bbsam, post: 936420, member: 22662"] Recently, Apple made it clear that they did not feel that it is their duty to solve the world's economic crisis. It's not "fair" to ask corporations to do such things. Fine. Who then does Apple turn to when intellectual property rights are infringed upon? Suddenly "fair" has a whole new meaning. I thought I had made it clear, but I will try again. OWS and in general the growing populist sentiment in the country has one thing to offer corporations: their very existence. Corporations are man made entities and as such can be regulated as governments so determine. By tax code or regulation they can be driven to be responsible to the populace. You mention historic failures. What about it's successes? Chrysler had no chance but that the U.S. government bet on it with huge tax incentives and loans to Fiat. The auto industry as a whole is alive and doing quite well in job creation because of government intervention. Even Ford has acknowledged that without the bailouts, it's parts manufactures would have forced it into perilous existence. Or what about banks? In the face of financial melt-down, only the government could save banks from their own misguided low-risk/high reward schemes. There is no reason the government should bail it out with tax-payer money at 0% interest so that they can loan it to the U.S. government in the form of bonds at 2% interest. It's ludicrous. But we don't have to take it. Maybe it's time to burn the house to the ground. Maybe we need to decide that if we're not going to prosper together, we'll let the whole thing fall. They say that if Europe goes into an economic collapse, America may well follow. What about the converse? Imagine what happens if America pulls the plug. It's an uphill battle. Corporations are free to attempt to "buy" elections and they regularly play both sides of the aisle. Ultimately, we do make to rules and the growing inequality only fuels the OWS movement. It's funny you should reference both "Sound and Fury" and the French Revolution. Can you imagine the motivation behind Marien Antoinette as she famously intoned, "Let them eat cake"? Indeed the rabble in the street must have seemed to her to be "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." History is full of systems tilting power and wealth too far into the hands of the few, of the 1%. It doesn't often end well, but we're America, damnit. We are better than that. [/QUOTE]
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