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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 936733" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>In terms of the fact that "corporatism" is the essense of the jobs that are provided to virtually every one on this board? Then "yes", I probably am. If I have to make a choice between groups, one side which includes individuals such as yourself and Ralph Nader - a individual who more often than not appears that HE would prefer to "burn the house down" as well - and another which favors "corporatism", then "yes" I would land on the "corporate" side as well....each and every time.</p><p></p><p>As for the question/claim that I "have no problem with [allegations that] "corporations continue to buy congress, outsource our jobs, lie to the public, pump the permament war machine, pollute, demand taxpayer bailouts, etc". well just how much credence should be given to the claims of of an individual who apparently is taking the side of those who want to "BURN DOWN THE HOUSE"? After all, these "worthies" have ALREADY shown that they're willing to actually take such a course; you don't break into governmental buildings and burn flags and such without an element of stridency to your movement. And, as such, I take ANYTHING they say with a HUGE "grain of salt". Why should someone of substance deem virtually ANYTHING someone like you has to say as more than mere hyperbole?</p><p></p><p>I will address a couple of the aspects of that hyperbole, thought. First, let's talk about your concept of their "outsourc[ing] OUR jobs". Just when did they become OUR jobs...as in YOURS??? Since when did individuals like YOU start providing those jobs? On what basis are they "ours" (in the first person plural) instead of belonging to THOSE WHO OFFER THEM????? See a problem there?</p><p></p><p>Yeah, guys like you prefer "freedom and democracy" alright...just so long as it's not extended to the other guy. You consider those who MAKE YOUR VERY EXISTENCE TENABLE as "predators". Meanwhile, you denounce their alleged "subsidies" (care to mention just WHICH acutal "subsidies") on the one hand, while gathering them in YOURSELF right and left on the other. Do guys like you pay subsidies? Hell no! Of COURSE not! That goes against the "gimme, gimme" concept! Again, 47% OF THE COUNTRY'S HOUSEHOLDS ARE PAYING NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX AT ALL!!!! And who do you think is making up the difference FOR them? People like you? Or is it perhaps the "corporatists"...who are paying double; once on their "corporate income", then a second time when it's taxed as "personal". It's really "sad", isn't it, that they're allowed to be taxed TWICE while far too many of the parasites like you aren't even paying ONCE! God, what "predators" those nasty corporatists are relative to those who's generosity consists of demanding that OTHERS do the work for them!</p><p></p><p>Yeah, you should be their "masters" alright...you, who don't have a damn thing to offer society except demands of "gimme, gimme". "Corporatists" should, according to you, be the "servants" of a mob of parasites who can't seem to lead productive lives themselves, let alone direct that of others.</p><p></p><p>Tell ya' what...when you're prepared to show that you can BUILD a societal "house", then come back to me explaining how it's time to burn down the one that your betters have ALREADY built. Bring Nader with you. I'm sure he'll be one of the first to strike a match.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 936733, member: 16651"] In terms of the fact that "corporatism" is the essense of the jobs that are provided to virtually every one on this board? Then "yes", I probably am. If I have to make a choice between groups, one side which includes individuals such as yourself and Ralph Nader - a individual who more often than not appears that HE would prefer to "burn the house down" as well - and another which favors "corporatism", then "yes" I would land on the "corporate" side as well....each and every time. As for the question/claim that I "have no problem with [allegations that] "corporations continue to buy congress, outsource our jobs, lie to the public, pump the permament war machine, pollute, demand taxpayer bailouts, etc". well just how much credence should be given to the claims of of an individual who apparently is taking the side of those who want to "BURN DOWN THE HOUSE"? After all, these "worthies" have ALREADY shown that they're willing to actually take such a course; you don't break into governmental buildings and burn flags and such without an element of stridency to your movement. And, as such, I take ANYTHING they say with a HUGE "grain of salt". Why should someone of substance deem virtually ANYTHING someone like you has to say as more than mere hyperbole? I will address a couple of the aspects of that hyperbole, thought. First, let's talk about your concept of their "outsourc[ing] OUR jobs". Just when did they become OUR jobs...as in YOURS??? Since when did individuals like YOU start providing those jobs? On what basis are they "ours" (in the first person plural) instead of belonging to THOSE WHO OFFER THEM????? See a problem there? Yeah, guys like you prefer "freedom and democracy" alright...just so long as it's not extended to the other guy. You consider those who MAKE YOUR VERY EXISTENCE TENABLE as "predators". Meanwhile, you denounce their alleged "subsidies" (care to mention just WHICH acutal "subsidies") on the one hand, while gathering them in YOURSELF right and left on the other. Do guys like you pay subsidies? Hell no! Of COURSE not! That goes against the "gimme, gimme" concept! Again, 47% OF THE COUNTRY'S HOUSEHOLDS ARE PAYING NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX AT ALL!!!! And who do you think is making up the difference FOR them? People like you? Or is it perhaps the "corporatists"...who are paying double; once on their "corporate income", then a second time when it's taxed as "personal". It's really "sad", isn't it, that they're allowed to be taxed TWICE while far too many of the parasites like you aren't even paying ONCE! God, what "predators" those nasty corporatists are relative to those who's generosity consists of demanding that OTHERS do the work for them! Yeah, you should be their "masters" alright...you, who don't have a damn thing to offer society except demands of "gimme, gimme". "Corporatists" should, according to you, be the "servants" of a mob of parasites who can't seem to lead productive lives themselves, let alone direct that of others. Tell ya' what...when you're prepared to show that you can BUILD a societal "house", then come back to me explaining how it's time to burn down the one that your betters have ALREADY built. Bring Nader with you. I'm sure he'll be one of the first to strike a match. [/QUOTE]
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