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<blockquote data-quote="scooby0048" data-source="post: 2043036" data-attributes="member: 50693"><p>You've been out of UPS for a decade and still feel the need to comment on current issues. I can understand still wanting to be a part of something that was so much of your life. Whatever. Stick to your memories of UPS, stay the hell out of law enforcement issues because you clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about.</p><p></p><p>I was a cop, a tactical officer, and instructor on high risk stops, and pursuits way longer than I have been at UPS so I do know what I AM talking about and I can tell you that from the video, that was a textbook stop. To address some of your issues, I have to refrain myself from calling you the idiot so that I can articulate my statements to you.</p><p></p><p>First, you weren't there nor was I so you don't know WHAT speed they were traveling. The point of the roadblock was to terminate the pursuit and if that meant having the police vehicles rammed or perp going into the ditch so be it. The pursuit would be teminated with hopefully little or no injury to the suspect, police, or other motoring public. </p><p></p><p>Second, that was a perfect spot for a roadblock as it offered a wide open area to the left, trees to the right, great distance before and after the staging area to keep bystanders and other vehicles away from as well as the added benefit of a blind corner so the perp couldn't see far enough ahead to plan an escape.</p><p></p><p>Third, that "idiot cop" was doing what he was trained to do and that was to take cover in the event the driver stopped and decided to engage the officers in gunfire. Most people stop for roadblocks whether for fear of hitting the vehicles, entering into a gunfight, or merely to surrender. Those that don't stop try to evade which the driver did at the very last moment. That "idiot cop" was way smarter than you are judging his actions. At least he had the foresight to think that the driver was going to ram the block and tried to get out the way of a vehicle in motion, at speed, hitting a stationary vehicle which he was standing behind. Any officer seeing those circumstances would have tried to get out of the way, and every officer would have been surprised by the suspect adding hard steering input.</p><p></p><p>Fourth, hard to believe I know, but not every cop has stop sticks on board. Some agencies only have limited sets and others only allow supervisors to deploy them. So to that until there is further revelations as to why they were not deployed, you should just stick to what you know.</p><p></p><p>And lastly, I can't even begin to quantify your last comment about a cop from the 60's, who really only served six years, who chased rum runners, gamblers, and whores as being the true figure of law enforcement and tactics. He was stabbed, beaten, and run down more than once because, as you so eloquently labeled the officer in the video, as an idiot, he too was an idiot and had no officer safety and training that was anywhere equal to the training and technology law enforcement officers today have.</p><p></p><p>I've said my peace and that's all I have to say about this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scooby0048, post: 2043036, member: 50693"] You've been out of UPS for a decade and still feel the need to comment on current issues. I can understand still wanting to be a part of something that was so much of your life. Whatever. Stick to your memories of UPS, stay the hell out of law enforcement issues because you clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I was a cop, a tactical officer, and instructor on high risk stops, and pursuits way longer than I have been at UPS so I do know what I AM talking about and I can tell you that from the video, that was a textbook stop. To address some of your issues, I have to refrain myself from calling you the idiot so that I can articulate my statements to you. First, you weren't there nor was I so you don't know WHAT speed they were traveling. The point of the roadblock was to terminate the pursuit and if that meant having the police vehicles rammed or perp going into the ditch so be it. The pursuit would be teminated with hopefully little or no injury to the suspect, police, or other motoring public. Second, that was a perfect spot for a roadblock as it offered a wide open area to the left, trees to the right, great distance before and after the staging area to keep bystanders and other vehicles away from as well as the added benefit of a blind corner so the perp couldn't see far enough ahead to plan an escape. Third, that "idiot cop" was doing what he was trained to do and that was to take cover in the event the driver stopped and decided to engage the officers in gunfire. Most people stop for roadblocks whether for fear of hitting the vehicles, entering into a gunfight, or merely to surrender. Those that don't stop try to evade which the driver did at the very last moment. That "idiot cop" was way smarter than you are judging his actions. At least he had the foresight to think that the driver was going to ram the block and tried to get out the way of a vehicle in motion, at speed, hitting a stationary vehicle which he was standing behind. Any officer seeing those circumstances would have tried to get out of the way, and every officer would have been surprised by the suspect adding hard steering input. Fourth, hard to believe I know, but not every cop has stop sticks on board. Some agencies only have limited sets and others only allow supervisors to deploy them. So to that until there is further revelations as to why they were not deployed, you should just stick to what you know. And lastly, I can't even begin to quantify your last comment about a cop from the 60's, who really only served six years, who chased rum runners, gamblers, and whores as being the true figure of law enforcement and tactics. He was stabbed, beaten, and run down more than once because, as you so eloquently labeled the officer in the video, as an idiot, he too was an idiot and had no officer safety and training that was anywhere equal to the training and technology law enforcement officers today have. I've said my peace and that's all I have to say about this. [/QUOTE]
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