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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5718036" data-attributes="member: 24302">Prove that there were worker run jobs with no bosses.&nbsp; Communism is collectivism.&nbsp; Workers were organized into collectives.&nbsp; Given no incentives to produce beyond threats.&nbsp; They were doomed to fail.What you don&#039;t get is the men who&#039;ve convinced you socialism is the way to go are just megalomaniacs who think they know better than others what&#039;s best for everyone.&nbsp; With them in charge if they could ever pull it off.&nbsp; Meanwhile they&#039;ll settle for followers who make them wealthy paying for their books and university speeches.&nbsp; Spend time like I just did driving all over delivering goods.&nbsp; Drive through huge cities.&nbsp; Go to factories.&nbsp; At some point a lightbulb may go off in your head as to the huge amount of investment that it took to accomplish all of it.&nbsp; &nbsp; Your 2 guys living the pure socialist ideal with their little business won&#039;t get that done.&nbsp; Does it offend you that bosses tell you what to do?&nbsp; That&#039;s because you want to work when you feel like it, go home when you feel like it.&nbsp; That&#039;s a character flaw, not what they&#039;re doing to you.&nbsp; That you think society should be completely reordered to suit you says you&#039;re just as megalomaniacal as Chris Hedges or Ralph Nader.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5718036, member: 24302"] Prove that there were worker run jobs with no bosses. Communism is collectivism. Workers were organized into collectives. Given no incentives to produce beyond threats. They were doomed to fail. What you don't get is the men who've convinced you socialism is the way to go are just megalomaniacs who think they know better than others what's best for everyone. With them in charge if they could ever pull it off. Meanwhile they'll settle for followers who make them wealthy paying for their books and university speeches. Spend time like I just did driving all over delivering goods. Drive through huge cities. Go to factories. At some point a lightbulb may go off in your head as to the huge amount of investment that it took to accomplish all of it. Your 2 guys living the pure socialist ideal with their little business won't get that done. Does it offend you that bosses tell you what to do? That's because you want to work when you feel like it, go home when you feel like it. That's a character flaw, not what they're doing to you. That you think society should be completely reordered to suit you says you're just as megalomaniacal as Chris Hedges or Ralph Nader. [/QUOTE]

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