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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 607879" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>No, I am so wrong. The poor slob working the line at GM making 50K did not screw it up. Well, I would be so wrong, if that is what I said. But it is not.</p><p></p><p>It was stupid management at GM that allowed themselves to agree to outrageous labor agreements that were simply unsustainable. Provisions such as paying salaries for workers who were laid off. So to use your misinterpretation of my remarks, it would be like saying it is not the guy working the line for 50K, it is the guy getting 50K for sitting on the couch watching soaps and eating cheetos. Although again, it is not even that person who screwed things up, he is a symptom.</p><p></p><p>GM made some other really bad decisions, but their labor agreements is where we have the greatest lesson for the UPS experience. For us, the labor agreements have even more bearing, as in our business labor is an even higher percentage of costs than it is at GM or other manufacturing companies. </p><p></p><p>As I have said, our labor costs are greater than any of our competitors. Our market share has dwindled from around 80% or so to less than 50. We have remained profitable, if not very competitive, by hounding our workers to make sure we get more production out of them than any of our competitors. What I ask, is how long can that continue? And if our market share gets to 0%, how many good paying teamster jobs will we be providing?</p><p></p><p>Yes, we are making a profit. And yes, it is due to the incredible job service providers such as yourself do. But our market share is going south, as is our profit. As I have said, hopefully in 2012 the IBT will see the writing on the wall and understand where the lower profit, smaller market share road takes us all. My fear is that if your mentality is prevalent, they will not until UPS has 2 or 3 losing quarters, and by then it may be too late.</p><p></p><p>So, I guess I will plan to come see you in about 5 years, I'll buy the first round. Believe me, I have seen a ton of management waste in my mere 17 years, especially being in management. That is something to be ever vigilant over as well, I will certainly not try to insult your intelligence by claiming otherwise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 607879, member: 14596"] No, I am so wrong. The poor slob working the line at GM making 50K did not screw it up. Well, I would be so wrong, if that is what I said. But it is not. It was stupid management at GM that allowed themselves to agree to outrageous labor agreements that were simply unsustainable. Provisions such as paying salaries for workers who were laid off. So to use your misinterpretation of my remarks, it would be like saying it is not the guy working the line for 50K, it is the guy getting 50K for sitting on the couch watching soaps and eating cheetos. Although again, it is not even that person who screwed things up, he is a symptom. GM made some other really bad decisions, but their labor agreements is where we have the greatest lesson for the UPS experience. For us, the labor agreements have even more bearing, as in our business labor is an even higher percentage of costs than it is at GM or other manufacturing companies. As I have said, our labor costs are greater than any of our competitors. Our market share has dwindled from around 80% or so to less than 50. We have remained profitable, if not very competitive, by hounding our workers to make sure we get more production out of them than any of our competitors. What I ask, is how long can that continue? And if our market share gets to 0%, how many good paying teamster jobs will we be providing? Yes, we are making a profit. And yes, it is due to the incredible job service providers such as yourself do. But our market share is going south, as is our profit. As I have said, hopefully in 2012 the IBT will see the writing on the wall and understand where the lower profit, smaller market share road takes us all. My fear is that if your mentality is prevalent, they will not until UPS has 2 or 3 losing quarters, and by then it may be too late. So, I guess I will plan to come see you in about 5 years, I'll buy the first round. Believe me, I have seen a ton of management waste in my mere 17 years, especially being in management. That is something to be ever vigilant over as well, I will certainly not try to insult your intelligence by claiming otherwise. [/QUOTE]
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