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Part timer planning on voting yes: Change my mind.
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<blockquote data-quote="Blackstream" data-source="post: 3624277" data-attributes="member: 49052"><p>Cause in all honesty, it'll never go to a strike. We'll sit around waiting for our contract for half a year, get a slightly renegotiated contract with slightly better bennies that the union rams down our throats using whatever legal loophole they can, and then we'll all get fat retro-checks for the raise we would have gotten on August 1st. It's not like you only get one vote and then it's a strike. There'll be another slightly better contract, and maybe another and so on until we get to the final offer where we either accept it or strike.</p><p></p><p>To add onto that, one of the things pretty much everyone here believes is that PTers should be starting at $15 an hour not $13 an hour. I dunno if we'd get that even with a renegotiated contract, but we might get $13.50 or $14.</p><p></p><p>Next, it's not just the 'old drivers' that are complaining here, it's literally everyone that's not in your position. For reference, I'm a PTer with 8 years of seniority. In 5 years when the next contract is negotiated, you'll be in my position, watching as UPS tries to use a significant but still not enough starting wage bump to get low seniority PTers to vote through a contract that is incredibly suboptimal for you.</p><p></p><p>And actually, there's PTers in your position seniority wise that this contract actually hoses. Right now at my hub, UPS raised the minimum wage to $15. That's what's needed to hire people on right now. To top it off, they're also removing skill pay with this contract which is a dollar more an hour if you become a pickoff or sorter or whatever. So not only could you be making $15 an hour with this contract, but you really should be able to be making $16 an hour instantly as soon as this contract hits. Now tell me, does a $4.50 raise sound like something in your best interests?</p><p></p><p>AND finally, 22.4s create a huge issue that I guarantee you the union is gonna have to fight to fix in future contracts. Forget about the current drivers for a second that you seem to think are big babies despite how <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />ty working 12+ hours a day is (and it's why I'll never be a driver for the record), the new 22.4 drivers have no 9.5 protection in addition to lower pay. So UPS is getting a huge concession by getting these underpaid second class workers that they have free reign to abuse as much as they want OT wise.</p><p></p><p>And guess what that means for you? Well if you're a 22.4 by then, you'll be working super <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />ty hours for much lower pay while other drivers make $6 an hour more than you and getting to go home to their families, praying that the next generation of PTers don't vote through a contract that doesn't do enough to address your issues. If you're not a 22.4, you get to watch as the Union wastes their time negotiating small but not enough fixes to a job classification that never should have existed in the first place instead of negotiating more good stuff for your job classification instead.</p><p></p><p>In other words, 22.4s will split the focus of the union, create more us vs them, more haves vs have nots, and will dilute future contracts making it less likely that you get a quality contract that you'll enjoy.</p><p></p><p>Is that enough reason for you? For the small price of waiting a few months for your raise that may or may not change, but getting all that money in the end anyways, you can help ensure a better future for yourself and everyone else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blackstream, post: 3624277, member: 49052"] Cause in all honesty, it'll never go to a strike. We'll sit around waiting for our contract for half a year, get a slightly renegotiated contract with slightly better bennies that the union rams down our throats using whatever legal loophole they can, and then we'll all get fat retro-checks for the raise we would have gotten on August 1st. It's not like you only get one vote and then it's a strike. There'll be another slightly better contract, and maybe another and so on until we get to the final offer where we either accept it or strike. To add onto that, one of the things pretty much everyone here believes is that PTers should be starting at $15 an hour not $13 an hour. I dunno if we'd get that even with a renegotiated contract, but we might get $13.50 or $14. Next, it's not just the 'old drivers' that are complaining here, it's literally everyone that's not in your position. For reference, I'm a PTer with 8 years of seniority. In 5 years when the next contract is negotiated, you'll be in my position, watching as UPS tries to use a significant but still not enough starting wage bump to get low seniority PTers to vote through a contract that is incredibly suboptimal for you. And actually, there's PTers in your position seniority wise that this contract actually hoses. Right now at my hub, UPS raised the minimum wage to $15. That's what's needed to hire people on right now. To top it off, they're also removing skill pay with this contract which is a dollar more an hour if you become a pickoff or sorter or whatever. So not only could you be making $15 an hour with this contract, but you really should be able to be making $16 an hour instantly as soon as this contract hits. Now tell me, does a $4.50 raise sound like something in your best interests? AND finally, 22.4s create a huge issue that I guarantee you the union is gonna have to fight to fix in future contracts. Forget about the current drivers for a second that you seem to think are big babies despite how :censored:ty working 12+ hours a day is (and it's why I'll never be a driver for the record), the new 22.4 drivers have no 9.5 protection in addition to lower pay. So UPS is getting a huge concession by getting these underpaid second class workers that they have free reign to abuse as much as they want OT wise. And guess what that means for you? Well if you're a 22.4 by then, you'll be working super :censored:ty hours for much lower pay while other drivers make $6 an hour more than you and getting to go home to their families, praying that the next generation of PTers don't vote through a contract that doesn't do enough to address your issues. If you're not a 22.4, you get to watch as the Union wastes their time negotiating small but not enough fixes to a job classification that never should have existed in the first place instead of negotiating more good stuff for your job classification instead. In other words, 22.4s will split the focus of the union, create more us vs them, more haves vs have nots, and will dilute future contracts making it less likely that you get a quality contract that you'll enjoy. Is that enough reason for you? For the small price of waiting a few months for your raise that may or may not change, but getting all that money in the end anyways, you can help ensure a better future for yourself and everyone else. [/QUOTE]
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