Political BS

[zubenelgenubi]

Slavery existed in every corner of the globe. Most of Rome's slaves were white. It wasn't just an American problem. It not only was brought to America but already existed among Native Americans too. Give some thanks to clever white men who in the pursuit of profit invented machines that made slavery obsolete. I think we've gone to great lengths to make things fair and equal. At some point blacks are going to have to look at themselves objectively and try to solve problems in their community that aren't white caused but ultimately are blamed on whites. And white liberals are going to have to stop playing up the race card to get the black vote. Which will probably never happen.

He can't keep his story straight. First he says slavery existed before the US, then says it was created by American society. At least he started the next post telling us that what he was saying is "ahistorical nonsense". It's the democrats, not all Americans to blame for the terrible things done to blacks throughout American history. The rest of America gave their lives fighting Democrat racism and slavery. His guilt is eating him alive, and he's clinging to the fantasy he created that let's him spread the blame around. It's would almost be understandable, if it weren't so dementedly sad.

 

[refineryworker05]

He can't keep his story straight. First he says slavery existed before the US, then says it was created by American society. At least he started the next post telling us that what he was saying is "ahistorical nonsense". It's the democrats, not all Americans to blame for the terrible things done to blacks throughout American history. The rest of America gave their lives fighting Democrat racism and slavery. His guilt is eating him alive, and he's clinging to the fantasy he created that let's him spread the blame around. It's would almost be understandable, if it weren't so dementedly sad.

This is nonsense. Clearly when discussing slavery in the context of America, I am talking about American slavery and American slavery was created by American society. America could have stopped the slavery that existed before it became a nation but it choose instead to accommodate and legalize it.

The idea that American slavery is the fault of one political party is pure nonsense, as I pointed out the people who enshrined American slavery into the constitution were not democrats or republicans at that time, as I also pointed out every segment of this society was impacted by American slavery, and all American institutions supported anti-black racism. These are all objective facts. That is beyond one political party. I hold no affinity for the democratic party as an institution as a party.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

This makes no sense to me. I think most Americans are aware that southern Democrats were racist

I have no idea what neo marxists are supposed to believe. It is all pretend nonsense.

Typical.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Typical.

He's prefacing his posts with disclaimers. We don't need him to tell us what he writes is nonsense, but at least he's being honest. A step in the right direction.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

This is nonsense. Clearly when discussing slavery in the context of America, I am talking about American slavery and American slavery was created by American society. America could have stopped the slavery that existed before it became a nation but it choose instead to accommodate and legalize it.

The idea that American slavery is the fault of one political party is pure nonsense, as I pointed out the people who enshrined American slavery into the constitution were not democrats or republicans at that time, as I also pointed out every segment of this society was impacted by American slavery, and all American institutions supported anti-black racism. These are all objective facts. That is beyond one political party. I hold no affinity for the democratic party as an institution as a party.

Absolute revisionist history drivel.

 

[refineryworker05]

Absolute revisionist history drivel.

What is revisionist history about my post? I think your response post was nonsense that didn't address the points I made.

 

[vantexan]

Please show me where I said slavery was just an American problem, but in this discussion we are talking about American slavery. The rest of your post is irrelevant nonsense. Black Americans using their government to address American social problems is how American politics work. Also, addressing racial discrimination has nothing to do with blaming white Americans. Also, there are no such things as black community problems. There are only American social problems created within American society. I know many Americans believe that there is something collectively wrong with the black Americans that causes American social problems, but that's just an example of the same old American racist understanding.

You are so uninformed. Have you not heard of the 1619 Project? Have you not heard that students are being taught that they are innately racist for just being white? And yes blacks have unique to their community problems. They are much more likely to be murdered than any other group. 90%+ of black murders are committed by other blacks yet they are being brainwashed into believing it's white Americans who are killing them. Have not only seen those stats on tv and in newspapers but have been told that by dozens of blacks in the last ten years that it's white Americans killing them. The only thing that seems to register with them is that the Washington Post says otherwise. They trust that newspaper it seems.

 

[The big package]

the question, I'd ask you is why does your perception matter? What is your having a hard time perceiving racial discrimination supposed to mean to the organizations and people fighting racial discrimination?

I can show you videos of very normal looking nice sounding white people during the mid 1960's south, saying they didn't think the south or their state was racist and blah, blah, blah. Just think if those people at the height of the Klan, at the height of white race riots killing black people by the hundreds, and the lynchings and black people not being allowed to vote or go to school or work certain jobs or go to certain hospitals, those white people could live that everyday and not perceive racism. What makes your lack of perception anymore reliable?

Ok dude , whatever you need to tell yourself !!!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

What is revisionist history about my post? I think your response post was nonsense that didn't address the points I made.

Your untenable claim that all American institutions supported slavery and are racist. Slavery was a reality at the time of the founding. Slavery still exists today in some form or another. But if it were not for the industrial revolution, it would probably still be an accepted economic institution worldwide. We could have abolished slavery in the US in the 1830's, barely 50 years after the country established its independence, if it weren't for, you guessed it....

To say that America is racist denies the fact that it only took the US less than 100 years, and a quarter of a million lives of people fighting to end slavery, to completely end a millenea old economic institution. That screams racism and proslavery to you, huh?

Wonder how long people like you are going to feel guilty about stuff that had nothing to do with you, or anyone alive today. Even more, I wonder how long people like you will continue to use unsupportable opinions to keep dividing people by race and driving wedges between us so that you can be sure everyone feels as guilty as you think is appropriate, all while the people pushing the fake narrative attempt to usurp power. Sad that you can't see what is really going on. I guess the Germans and the Russians didn't recognize communist agitation strategy when they saw it either.

 

[newfie]

So both the government and the political movement created to fight racial discrimination are very interested in businesses giving black owned businesses opportunities.

people dont check the ethnicity of businesses when they shop. they go for good food , good products or good deals.

 

[newfie]

This makes no sense to me. I think most Americans are aware that southern Democrats were racist and pressed for racist laws, but again the south and the Democratic party are American. So I don't know how one pretends that American racism is a Southern Democratic creation. It is just ahistorical nonsense. The whole of America practiced anti black racism.

you keep trying to make an argument that the Racist DNC policies of the 30's connect to racist policies against minority owned business today.
very few shoppers would know who the owners are of any businesses.
Imagine the outrage if we did something similar for white owned businesses.

 

[bottomups]

Can we loot as well like some of the protests?

Can I shoot some white guys in the back?

 

[El Correcto]

What does cherry picked history mean to you? I am talking about racial discrimination that predates America as a nation, racial discrimination that predates political parties and the constitution. I am talking about an American problem that was there at this nation's founding. I don't see how that's cherry picked history. It is American history.

You’re the one cherry picking. Slavery was a worldwide sin. It has been done even more brutally than what was done in America. You should really look into the “Scramble for Africa”
It makes American slavery look like full citizenship.

 

[vantexan]

Can I shoot some white guys in the back?

Sure, but only liberal ones that cause trouble.

 

[bottomups]

Sure, but only liberal ones that cause trouble.

Nope. Maybe one of those right wing nut jobs in Michigan.

 

[vantexan]

Nope. Maybe one of those right wing nut jobs in Michigan.

You mean the group where the leader stood in front of an Antifa flag and denounced all in government including Trump? Just because they wanted to off Michigan's liberal governor doesn't make them conservatives.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

You mean the group where the leader stood in front of an Antifa flag and denounced all in government including Trump? Just because they wanted to off Michigan's liberal governor doesn't make them conservatives.

Pretty much like what Antifa did when the Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler tried to join their little party.

 

[newfie]

Can I shoot some white guys in the back?

you already do

 

[newfie]

Nope. Maybe one of those right wing nut jobs in Michigan.

um they're government haters , they hate trump as much as anyone in government
this guy is actually closer to antifa then the proud boys

‘White Supremacist’ In Kidnapping Plot Is A Trump-Hating Anarchist

'You know Trump is not your friend, dude,' said Brandon Caserta. 'He's shown over and over and over again that he's a tyrant.'

thefederalist.com

 

[newfie]