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<blockquote data-quote="Maui" data-source="post: 2672499" data-attributes="member: 45037"><p>Just want to correct a few things here.</p><p>1. Torcaso did NOT rule secular humanism was a religion. The case resolved a MD issue that the state could not require a religious belief to hold state office. Whether "secular humanism" was/is a religion was not in question in the case.</p><p>2. <em>Dicta </em>does not have force of law. Black's footnote holds zero legal value.</p><p>3. Peloza v. Capistrano Unified School District clears this up in the ruling:</p><p></p><p>"We reject this claim because neither the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or secular humanism are "religions" for Establishment Clause purposes. Indeed, both the dictionary definition of religion<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/peloza.html#4" target="_blank">(4)</a> and the clear weight of the case law<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/peloza.html#5" target="_blank">(5)</a> are to the contrary. The Supreme Court has held unequivocally that while the belief in a divine creator of the universe is a religious belief, the scientific theory that higher forms of life evolved from lower forms is not. Edwards V. Aguillard. 482 U.S. 578, 107 S.Ct. 2573, 96 L.Ed.2d 510 (1987) (holding unconstitutional, under Establishment Clause, Louisiana's "Balanced Treatment for Creation-science and Evolution-Science in Public School Instruction Act")."</p><p></p><p>4. The theory of evolution is settled science. As much as the theory of gravity.</p><p>5. Creation theory is a religious belief. It can be taught in an elective world religions class, but belongs far, far away from a science classroom. Additionally, what creation story would be taught. There are many.</p><p>6. Christians first sought removal of Bibles from school education. Minor v Board of education (1870) was brought by Catholics</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, both religious and secular humanism exist. No, teaching science and secular education is not religious teaching. That claim is absurd.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maui, post: 2672499, member: 45037"] Just want to correct a few things here. 1. Torcaso did NOT rule secular humanism was a religion. The case resolved a MD issue that the state could not require a religious belief to hold state office. Whether "secular humanism" was/is a religion was not in question in the case. 2. [I]Dicta [/I]does not have force of law. Black's footnote holds zero legal value. 3. Peloza v. Capistrano Unified School District clears this up in the ruling: "We reject this claim because neither the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or secular humanism are "religions" for Establishment Clause purposes. Indeed, both the dictionary definition of religion[URL='http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/peloza.html#4'](4)[/URL] and the clear weight of the case law[URL='http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/peloza.html#5'](5)[/URL] are to the contrary. The Supreme Court has held unequivocally that while the belief in a divine creator of the universe is a religious belief, the scientific theory that higher forms of life evolved from lower forms is not. Edwards V. Aguillard. 482 U.S. 578, 107 S.Ct. 2573, 96 L.Ed.2d 510 (1987) (holding unconstitutional, under Establishment Clause, Louisiana's "Balanced Treatment for Creation-science and Evolution-Science in Public School Instruction Act")." 4. The theory of evolution is settled science. As much as the theory of gravity. 5. Creation theory is a religious belief. It can be taught in an elective world religions class, but belongs far, far away from a science classroom. Additionally, what creation story would be taught. There are many. 6. Christians first sought removal of Bibles from school education. Minor v Board of education (1870) was brought by Catholics Furthermore, both religious and secular humanism exist. No, teaching science and secular education is not religious teaching. That claim is absurd. [/QUOTE]
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