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<blockquote data-quote="Jones" data-source="post: 659912" data-attributes="member: 4805"><p>Ronald Reagan did the right thing when he signed the UN convention against torture back in 1988. From his letter to the senate:</p><p>From Article 2 of the convention:</p><p>Waterboarding is torture, and the US has had no problems labeling it as such when other countries used it. In the aftermath of WW2 we named it specifically as a war crime when we prosecuted the Japanese for it's use. It's hypocritical in the extreme to pretend that it's not torture when we do it. The argument that torture is ok now because the terrorists do it misses the point entirely. It's not about what the kind of people the terrorists are, it's about what kind of people we are. Reagan understood this, in no small part because of the two Americans who were captured and tortured to death during his administration. He saw the tapes of William Buckley being tortured, which have never been made public. He insisted on signing that convention because he wanted to make sure that US would never engage in something so dehumanizing.</p><p>Torturing people wont make us safer, it will just make us a nation that tortures people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jones, post: 659912, member: 4805"] Ronald Reagan did the right thing when he signed the UN convention against torture back in 1988. From his letter to the senate: From Article 2 of the convention: Waterboarding is torture, and the US has had no problems labeling it as such when other countries used it. In the aftermath of WW2 we named it specifically as a war crime when we prosecuted the Japanese for it's use. It's hypocritical in the extreme to pretend that it's not torture when we do it. The argument that torture is ok now because the terrorists do it misses the point entirely. It's not about what the kind of people the terrorists are, it's about what kind of people we are. Reagan understood this, in no small part because of the two Americans who were captured and tortured to death during his administration. He saw the tapes of William Buckley being tortured, which have never been made public. He insisted on signing that convention because he wanted to make sure that US would never engage in something so dehumanizing. Torturing people wont make us safer, it will just make us a nation that tortures people. [/QUOTE]
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