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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 81364" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>coldworld,</p><p>Could UPS use the Freight segment as a fallback to position themselves going into 08'? Yes they could but being realistic just how effective would it be? I'm not trying to say without us they can't do a thing because they could over time. I just see to many hurdles to overcome and to see how far we've come in growing the company since 97' I think both sides have far to much to lose than to gain and I've felt for some time that both sides should already be holding early talks and discussions on many of the issues we face with the goal of a very early contract agreement and jump FedEx from the bushes and give them no traction to undercut us again leading up to a contract. The larger question IMO is do we (all of us) have the smarts to do that? Sadly I don't have the answer to that one.</p><p> </p><p>Also when the purchase of Overnight had happened I was in a position to talk with a couple of folks who happen to have just a little knowledge of the situation and I asked about pulling Overnight completely into the UPS fold. It was admitted this would be the ideal but the 2 major problems among many were 1) UPS small package facilities aren't setup for freight cross dock operations and 2) Purely Freight segments can handle certain types of products (Hazmats for example) that we can't and visa versa. No doubt there are other considerations but just on those 2 areas alone, there presents itself a couple of big hurdles. That said I also think this added to our product mix will in fact benefit the whole and I'm not convinced the recent surge in volume has all been a result outside of the Overnight now UPS Freight addition. More and more we are becoming an all in one global supply chain enabler IMO.</p><p> </p><p>Personally I look for the IBT to use the UPS Freight in bargaining for 08' as a means of organizing and boost membership numbers and an influx into many pension funds now suffering. Whether UPS sees this as a mechanism for getting something sweet in return I have no idea. On the one hand I could see where they may go for it however, and this is JMO, throwing more money at these pension funds is throwing money down a rat hole. Short term it may help but UPS saw major growth in the 70's and 80's and these folks are beginning to hit the retirement rolls and when this process really picks up steam in the next few years I just don't feel good about what I see ahead and sadly I'm one of those who will be a part of the flood that is about to come. The good part I guess is that I'm not someone coming in during the latter 80's and 90's because those folks are really gonna get screwed IMO.</p><p> </p><p>BTW:I don't think you're paranoid at all. It is a legit and good question to ask.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 81364, member: 2189"] coldworld, Could UPS use the Freight segment as a fallback to position themselves going into 08'? Yes they could but being realistic just how effective would it be? I'm not trying to say without us they can't do a thing because they could over time. I just see to many hurdles to overcome and to see how far we've come in growing the company since 97' I think both sides have far to much to lose than to gain and I've felt for some time that both sides should already be holding early talks and discussions on many of the issues we face with the goal of a very early contract agreement and jump FedEx from the bushes and give them no traction to undercut us again leading up to a contract. The larger question IMO is do we (all of us) have the smarts to do that? Sadly I don't have the answer to that one. Also when the purchase of Overnight had happened I was in a position to talk with a couple of folks who happen to have just a little knowledge of the situation and I asked about pulling Overnight completely into the UPS fold. It was admitted this would be the ideal but the 2 major problems among many were 1) UPS small package facilities aren't setup for freight cross dock operations and 2) Purely Freight segments can handle certain types of products (Hazmats for example) that we can't and visa versa. No doubt there are other considerations but just on those 2 areas alone, there presents itself a couple of big hurdles. That said I also think this added to our product mix will in fact benefit the whole and I'm not convinced the recent surge in volume has all been a result outside of the Overnight now UPS Freight addition. More and more we are becoming an all in one global supply chain enabler IMO. Personally I look for the IBT to use the UPS Freight in bargaining for 08' as a means of organizing and boost membership numbers and an influx into many pension funds now suffering. Whether UPS sees this as a mechanism for getting something sweet in return I have no idea. On the one hand I could see where they may go for it however, and this is JMO, throwing more money at these pension funds is throwing money down a rat hole. Short term it may help but UPS saw major growth in the 70's and 80's and these folks are beginning to hit the retirement rolls and when this process really picks up steam in the next few years I just don't feel good about what I see ahead and sadly I'm one of those who will be a part of the flood that is about to come. The good part I guess is that I'm not someone coming in during the latter 80's and 90's because those folks are really gonna get screwed IMO. BTW:I don't think you're paranoid at all. It is a legit and good question to ask. [/QUOTE]
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