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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 472377" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>AV8,</p><p> </p><p>I don't think any of us are experts on muslims and I'm not surprised at all by your experience. The reason is up until the latter 20th century, the US was greatly thought of by the people of the Middle East because to them we were a beacon of light. Not because of our society, culture, etc. but by the sheer fact that we once were dominated by the European colonial powers and yet we fought them off and won our independence from them. Whether Sunni or Shia. I still think that hope they see in us will return again and at some point they can achieve what we did 200 plus years ago and escape domination, first by the Ottomans, then the European powers and now via us literally acting as a European proxy. I believe they still think somewhere inside the average American, that freedom and independence still lives on. God I hope and pray they are right. Opps, I forgot, Chev thinks I'm atheist so I have ot play the part. Sorry God!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p>What mucks up the gears is when some elected official opens his big mouth and plays footsie with the Israelis and the Israeli Lobby in AIPAC. A perfect example of this is big mouth Joe Biden who in 2007' claimed to the Israeli press that "he's a Zionist!" <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586542,00.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586542,00.html</span></a> If you were on the muslim street, what would you be thinking of big mouth Joe right about now? How would you feel about any muslim country who has some member of their parliament declare that they were in spirit Al Qaeda and then later become elected to that country's next highest office? Your indignation would be most justified and IMO from the muslim streets POV, there is no difference. </p><p> </p><p>When a politician declares he'll raise taxes, do you just fluff it off as just campaign talk or do you believe him and vote against him? Why should the muslim be any different in his interests just as I'm sure jewish voters would speak out if some member of the KKK or other anti-semitic group ran for office and then got elected. We Americans of all people know how our elected officials lie to us and you don't think the muslims see this as well and see through it all when our political leaders talk to them? I'm not even jewish or muslim and I don't trust them either!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>This all goes back to the many warning of past leaders in the country who warned of always maintaining a neutrality when it came to foreign affairs. There's no denying the effectiveness of the American Jewish Lobby in our political world today and no one gets elected in this country without genuflecting to this powerful force the moment you declare yourself one of them, then you are one of them from the muslim POV. </p><p> </p><p>Both jew and palestenian have a right to self determination and the same freedoms and liberties as any one of us. The expressions of freedom in the Declaration of Independence was just not for us in a geographic locale known as North American but was a broader ideal for all peoples across the entire globe. We fought to engrave those beliefs in the annals of history but the ink was not long dry before we started departing from their wisdom as a nation. Just because we were stupid and ignorant to walk away from them doesn't mean we have to compound the sin and help violate "these truths" across the globe.</p><p> </p><p>JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 472377, member: 2189"] AV8, I don't think any of us are experts on muslims and I'm not surprised at all by your experience. The reason is up until the latter 20th century, the US was greatly thought of by the people of the Middle East because to them we were a beacon of light. Not because of our society, culture, etc. but by the sheer fact that we once were dominated by the European colonial powers and yet we fought them off and won our independence from them. Whether Sunni or Shia. I still think that hope they see in us will return again and at some point they can achieve what we did 200 plus years ago and escape domination, first by the Ottomans, then the European powers and now via us literally acting as a European proxy. I believe they still think somewhere inside the average American, that freedom and independence still lives on. God I hope and pray they are right. Opps, I forgot, Chev thinks I'm atheist so I have ot play the part. Sorry God! :wink2: What mucks up the gears is when some elected official opens his big mouth and plays footsie with the Israelis and the Israeli Lobby in AIPAC. A perfect example of this is big mouth Joe Biden who in 2007' claimed to the Israeli press that "he's a Zionist!" [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586542,00.html"][COLOR=red]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586542,00.html[/COLOR][/URL] If you were on the muslim street, what would you be thinking of big mouth Joe right about now? How would you feel about any muslim country who has some member of their parliament declare that they were in spirit Al Qaeda and then later become elected to that country's next highest office? Your indignation would be most justified and IMO from the muslim streets POV, there is no difference. When a politician declares he'll raise taxes, do you just fluff it off as just campaign talk or do you believe him and vote against him? Why should the muslim be any different in his interests just as I'm sure jewish voters would speak out if some member of the KKK or other anti-semitic group ran for office and then got elected. We Americans of all people know how our elected officials lie to us and you don't think the muslims see this as well and see through it all when our political leaders talk to them? I'm not even jewish or muslim and I don't trust them either! :happy-very: This all goes back to the many warning of past leaders in the country who warned of always maintaining a neutrality when it came to foreign affairs. There's no denying the effectiveness of the American Jewish Lobby in our political world today and no one gets elected in this country without genuflecting to this powerful force the moment you declare yourself one of them, then you are one of them from the muslim POV. Both jew and palestenian have a right to self determination and the same freedoms and liberties as any one of us. The expressions of freedom in the Declaration of Independence was just not for us in a geographic locale known as North American but was a broader ideal for all peoples across the entire globe. We fought to engrave those beliefs in the annals of history but the ink was not long dry before we started departing from their wisdom as a nation. Just because we were stupid and ignorant to walk away from them doesn't mean we have to compound the sin and help violate "these truths" across the globe. JMO. [/QUOTE]
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