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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 1023431" data-attributes="member: 8259">That&#039;s an interesting point. So if we cannot count dimocrats as staunch dimocrats then we must not count Snowe, Collins, and McCain as staunch Republicans correct? The bottom line is I am correct and Obama had his filibuster proof Senate when he chose to do what he chose to do which was crush the middle class and he had a filibuster Senate when he got every dimocrat to vote for him. The record is clear and I understand why his supporters want to run from it but it is not 2008 and Obama is not some do nothing Senator any longer. He is the do nothing for the middle class President now. That&#039;s his record.I&#039;m square to upper middle class and I work for UPS(my wife does not) and my health care costs have gone up significantly since this bill has passed. From July 7 2009 to September 25 2009 the republicans could not stop anything. In the House they were even shut out of the amendment process on a regular basis.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 1023431, member: 8259"] That's an interesting point. So if we cannot count dimocrats as staunch dimocrats then we must not count Snowe, Collins, and McCain as staunch Republicans correct? The bottom line is I am correct and Obama had his filibuster proof Senate when he chose to do what he chose to do which was crush the middle class and he had a filibuster Senate when he got every dimocrat to vote for him. The record is clear and I understand why his supporters want to run from it but it is not 2008 and Obama is not some do nothing Senator any longer. He is the do nothing for the middle class President now. That's his record. I'm square to upper middle class and I work for UPS(my wife does not) and my health care costs have gone up significantly since this bill has passed. From July 7 2009 to September 25 2009 the republicans could not stop anything. In the House they were even shut out of the amendment process on a regular basis. [/QUOTE]

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