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<blockquote data-quote="AssistantSanta" data-source="post: 919388" data-attributes="member: 38503"><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span>So did you already know that closed shop is illegal? If not, then, you learned something new. If you knew already, please advise why you wrote union membership is compulsory.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p>Hence my concerns. You and I had to go <strong>research </strong>this before we knew. We were NOT advised this in clear and direct language. Even as a helper, they threw in union paperwork along with employee policy paperwork. All they had to do was advise "here in State of ____, we're not a "right to work state", therefore agency fees are mandatory for all employees, however membership is strictly a personal decision"</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span>Much the same way like businesses offer free service for a period of time and paid service automatically kicks in until you take action. They don't tell you to try it, then join if you like. They say sign up first and if you cancel by xxx, you'll get billed. </p><p></p><p>Now with union, new hires aren't sent home with even a fine print advising of that right. They'll have to RESEARCH it themselves, which I think is manipulative. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel that's a predatory membership. You're basically admitting in other words they're not given "opt in/opt out" in clear language at the start and REQUIRES each employee to even realize whats going on and dedication on their part to research the process to OPT OUT while they're more or less given paper to sign that automatically opts them in. Sort of like hospitals that tell you to sign paperwork written in their favor but they don't give you adequate time to thoroughly read it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But that shouldn't be necessary period. How hard could it be to integrate "union membership, yes/no, you may change your affiliation at anytime" into forms yo have to sign at the time of employment?</p><p></p><p>With the way is signed up, if they sign all the paperwork given to them, they'll have to figure out all the bureaucracy, find out who to talk to and make the calls to GET OUT of it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a whole package that gives me benefits after a period of time but also forces me under their work place policy. You're speaking of union as something that gives nothing but good. </p><p></p><p>Job preferences and openings aren't granted based on a fair(in my opinion) system like random drawing among those who signed up, skill level matching or merit based selection like scholarships. So, on this board, you'll find disgruntled PTers who say "I work my butt off and I do well and there's no reward for hard work" and those who preach the contract and tell them to slow down and cite "fair day's work for fair day's pay".</p><p></p><p>So, not "soaking up" won't give me access to positions based on performance, therefore union can still weigh me down even if I take nothing from them. </p><p></p><p>More seniority means later in the list to be laid off and earlier in the line to be recalled. Of course the employees who's been there for a long time will hang tight to it and it most definitely provides preferential setup for lifers. They get away with a lot playing the "I've been here longer than you have" card. The only definitive thing about that is that well they started working there before someone else... It's like a ride on a slow escalator with no option to walk. You can't work harder to get ahead. All you can do is "ride" the time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AssistantSanta, post: 919388, member: 38503"] [COLOR=#0000ff] [/COLOR]So did you already know that closed shop is illegal? If not, then, you learned something new. If you knew already, please advise why you wrote union membership is compulsory. [COLOR=#0000ff] [/COLOR] Hence my concerns. You and I had to go [B]research [/B]this before we knew. We were NOT advised this in clear and direct language. Even as a helper, they threw in union paperwork along with employee policy paperwork. All they had to do was advise "here in State of ____, we're not a "right to work state", therefore agency fees are mandatory for all employees, however membership is strictly a personal decision" [COLOR=#0000ff] [/COLOR]Much the same way like businesses offer free service for a period of time and paid service automatically kicks in until you take action. They don't tell you to try it, then join if you like. They say sign up first and if you cancel by xxx, you'll get billed. Now with union, new hires aren't sent home with even a fine print advising of that right. They'll have to RESEARCH it themselves, which I think is manipulative. I feel that's a predatory membership. You're basically admitting in other words they're not given "opt in/opt out" in clear language at the start and REQUIRES each employee to even realize whats going on and dedication on their part to research the process to OPT OUT while they're more or less given paper to sign that automatically opts them in. Sort of like hospitals that tell you to sign paperwork written in their favor but they don't give you adequate time to thoroughly read it. But that shouldn't be necessary period. How hard could it be to integrate "union membership, yes/no, you may change your affiliation at anytime" into forms yo have to sign at the time of employment? With the way is signed up, if they sign all the paperwork given to them, they'll have to figure out all the bureaucracy, find out who to talk to and make the calls to GET OUT of it. It's a whole package that gives me benefits after a period of time but also forces me under their work place policy. You're speaking of union as something that gives nothing but good. Job preferences and openings aren't granted based on a fair(in my opinion) system like random drawing among those who signed up, skill level matching or merit based selection like scholarships. So, on this board, you'll find disgruntled PTers who say "I work my butt off and I do well and there's no reward for hard work" and those who preach the contract and tell them to slow down and cite "fair day's work for fair day's pay". So, not "soaking up" won't give me access to positions based on performance, therefore union can still weigh me down even if I take nothing from them. More seniority means later in the list to be laid off and earlier in the line to be recalled. Of course the employees who's been there for a long time will hang tight to it and it most definitely provides preferential setup for lifers. They get away with a lot playing the "I've been here longer than you have" card. The only definitive thing about that is that well they started working there before someone else... It's like a ride on a slow escalator with no option to walk. You can't work harder to get ahead. All you can do is "ride" the time. [/QUOTE]
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