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<blockquote data-quote="104Feeder" data-source="post: 1066357" data-attributes="member: 42554"><p><span style="color: #0000cd">It was more than 10 years before it rose $.50. The Company insisted on the lower starting wage during the last negotiations. But yes, we loaded faster back then. Preload started at 5 and was done by 8 (rarely did I even see my preloader in my early driving days. She had already gone home). Now it's as early as 3:30 and they aren't even wrapped by 9. I'm not saying you or any other worker is to blame, it's because they've added more crap that slows you down like Over 70's, more package cars per loader, and those stupid labels that aren't nearly as fast as a good preloader that knew his/her load charts by rote.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000cd"></span><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">You can keep fighting me, Hoax, and the others but we're not putting you down or thinking we're better. We've just done your job and put in <em>decade </em>of service to this Company so we know that it's worth it in the long haul. When I started there was no progression. You got $8, $9 for sorter or preload pay and then you just waited getting typical $.50, $.55/hr raises every year. friend/T had a two year progression then, and I was <em>lucky</em> to keep my wage for a year until I caught up. People hired after me <em>had to give up their P/T wage which was typically higher and start at the bottom of the progression. </em>In many cases this was more than $4/hr. Funny thing is, nobody ever complained about that to me they just stuck it out til they made top pay. Top pay is <em>nice</em> but you have to earn it. It's part of why you might notice a certain pride bordering on cockiness in senior Drivers and Feeders alike: because they've earned where they are at. I would seriously consider looking at yourself and seeing if this bitterness & resentment is what you want because at the rate you are going you are going to have a lot of it at UPS. There will always be some rule you feel is unjust, some other driver you feel is being favored, some route you were cheated out of, some Management decision that is completely unfair. The grievance procedure won't satisfy you because it's slow and deliberate and, just like the justice system, not always just or fair.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span><span style="color: #0000cd"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000cd">I'm curious what you think a fair wage or progression should be for P/T considering all their issues with theft, absenteeism, and turnover? When I was P/T I topped out at $18k, part of it earned working as a Helper. Top pay now at 25 hrs/wk would put you at almost $17k (and consider that the pension contributions are higher and there is more vacation). A friend/T driver at the time had a base salary of about $40k ($19.75/hr). Since Drivers make a base of about $66k a year, do you think P/T pay should be about $33k a year? (Roughly $25/hr) That's pretty close to the Median personal income for people working full time. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000cd"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000cd">You might be careful what you wish for. If your pay rises enough, the Company is going to demand a lot more in return. Gone will be the Friday Pizza etc that they use to try to keep you guys from quitting. Gone will be the unspoken truth that they need you more than you need them. P/T sups would love your pay to rise because theirs will too and they will be on your ass more than you can ever imagine. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000cd"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="104Feeder, post: 1066357, member: 42554"] [COLOR=#0000cd]It was more than 10 years before it rose $.50. The Company insisted on the lower starting wage during the last negotiations. But yes, we loaded faster back then. Preload started at 5 and was done by 8 (rarely did I even see my preloader in my early driving days. She had already gone home). Now it's as early as 3:30 and they aren't even wrapped by 9. I'm not saying you or any other worker is to blame, it's because they've added more crap that slows you down like Over 70's, more package cars per loader, and those stupid labels that aren't nearly as fast as a good preloader that knew his/her load charts by rote. [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] You can keep fighting me, Hoax, and the others but we're not putting you down or thinking we're better. We've just done your job and put in [I]decade [/I]of service to this Company so we know that it's worth it in the long haul. When I started there was no progression. You got $8, $9 for sorter or preload pay and then you just waited getting typical $.50, $.55/hr raises every year. friend/T had a two year progression then, and I was [I]lucky[/I] to keep my wage for a year until I caught up. People hired after me [I]had to give up their P/T wage which was typically higher and start at the bottom of the progression. [/I]In many cases this was more than $4/hr. Funny thing is, nobody ever complained about that to me they just stuck it out til they made top pay. Top pay is [I]nice[/I] but you have to earn it. It's part of why you might notice a certain pride bordering on cockiness in senior Drivers and Feeders alike: because they've earned where they are at. I would seriously consider looking at yourself and seeing if this bitterness & resentment is what you want because at the rate you are going you are going to have a lot of it at UPS. There will always be some rule you feel is unjust, some other driver you feel is being favored, some route you were cheated out of, some Management decision that is completely unfair. The grievance procedure won't satisfy you because it's slow and deliberate and, just like the justice system, not always just or fair. [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd] I'm curious what you think a fair wage or progression should be for P/T considering all their issues with theft, absenteeism, and turnover? When I was P/T I topped out at $18k, part of it earned working as a Helper. Top pay now at 25 hrs/wk would put you at almost $17k (and consider that the pension contributions are higher and there is more vacation). A friend/T driver at the time had a base salary of about $40k ($19.75/hr). Since Drivers make a base of about $66k a year, do you think P/T pay should be about $33k a year? (Roughly $25/hr) That's pretty close to the Median personal income for people working full time. You might be careful what you wish for. If your pay rises enough, the Company is going to demand a lot more in return. Gone will be the Friday Pizza etc that they use to try to keep you guys from quitting. Gone will be the unspoken truth that they need you more than you need them. P/T sups would love your pay to rise because theirs will too and they will be on your ass more than you can ever imagine. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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