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<blockquote data-quote="104Feeder" data-source="post: 1067381" data-attributes="member: 42554"><p><span style="color: #0000cd">What I don't think you are understanding is that the way it was done in the past was you go the Starting wage, and then a sort differential or sorter pay and that was it. Then you waited for your annual wage increases just like everybody else. The progression in place now <em>is</em> an improvement. Can you point to anywhere else, even any progression at UPS, where you receive a 20% raise after one year? Typically the Driver wage is pegged to a percentage of the <em>wage in effect at the time of signing</em>, in this case 2008. Then it's roughly 7% each segment by my calculation until you get a big jump to the top rate at the end. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000cd"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Also, typically those in progression stay in progression (and it sounds like you are in progression now), until they finish then get the annual wage increases Those already through progression are red-circled at their previous wage and receive the annual increases just like we did when I was in part-time. As they say "time is on your side". So you could be asking for the interesting scenario of having to work along side newer part timers that make more than you. Unless you think we have the Company so far over the barrel that they will be willing to bump ALL part timers in or just out of progression up to $16/hr immediately after signing & that Full timers would be willing to forego most likely any raise at all to make that happen?</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">I'm also going to take issue with your "entire army of Teamsters who have been grossly left behind the last two Contracts" (only slightly ignoring the fact that nowhere near significant numbers of part timers are actual Teamsters in RTW States)</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span><span style="color: #0000ff">Someone who came part time after August 1, 2002 and started at the $8.50 rate should be making $15.97 today, so just under half the Driver rate which is what you are asking for in a great big hurry. If that person showed a little initiative and earned Sorter pay or transferred to Preload or Midnight sorts, the would be at $16.97/hr which is more than half of Driver pay. Also, you fail to take into account that on top of your wage is the Pension contribution, which in the case of the WCTPF is $7.60/hr for 2012 bringing your total per hour wage to $23.57 not including what is paid for your benefits. Throw that on top and I bet you are well over the top driver rate. I don't think it's very unreasonable to see that people starting a few years later in the either the 2002 or 2008 Contract should be making a less. At my 10 year mark I was making $20.88/hr. (we'll leave out the paid holidays, sick pay, and very generous vacation package just to keep things simple)</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Don't get me wrong, I hope everyone- Full and Part Time- come away very happy in the next Contract. Everybody working here now that is. I'm not going to lose any sleep over people that may never be hired. This Company has made a lot of money and it's all been on the backs of Hub workers, Package & Air Drivers, and Feeder Drivers so we more than deserve to share in the wealth. However, I'm also cognizant of the fact that Companies have a life cycle and we may be getting near that point where if we take too much UPS will start to strain under the burden. I'm not interested in having this Company go the way of others that were overburdened by their Union contracts. Of course, many of those Companies had other issues that caused their demise and I think were are still competitive, strong, and still the best at what we do. </span></p><p> <span style="color: #0000ff"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="104Feeder, post: 1067381, member: 42554"] [COLOR=#0000cd]What I don't think you are understanding is that the way it was done in the past was you go the Starting wage, and then a sort differential or sorter pay and that was it. Then you waited for your annual wage increases just like everybody else. The progression in place now [I]is[/I] an improvement. Can you point to anywhere else, even any progression at UPS, where you receive a 20% raise after one year? Typically the Driver wage is pegged to a percentage of the [I]wage in effect at the time of signing[/I], in this case 2008. Then it's roughly 7% each segment by my calculation until you get a big jump to the top rate at the end. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Also, typically those in progression stay in progression (and it sounds like you are in progression now), until they finish then get the annual wage increases Those already through progression are red-circled at their previous wage and receive the annual increases just like we did when I was in part-time. As they say "time is on your side". So you could be asking for the interesting scenario of having to work along side newer part timers that make more than you. Unless you think we have the Company so far over the barrel that they will be willing to bump ALL part timers in or just out of progression up to $16/hr immediately after signing & that Full timers would be willing to forego most likely any raise at all to make that happen? [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff] I'm also going to take issue with your "entire army of Teamsters who have been grossly left behind the last two Contracts" (only slightly ignoring the fact that nowhere near significant numbers of part timers are actual Teamsters in RTW States) [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff]Someone who came part time after August 1, 2002 and started at the $8.50 rate should be making $15.97 today, so just under half the Driver rate which is what you are asking for in a great big hurry. If that person showed a little initiative and earned Sorter pay or transferred to Preload or Midnight sorts, the would be at $16.97/hr which is more than half of Driver pay. Also, you fail to take into account that on top of your wage is the Pension contribution, which in the case of the WCTPF is $7.60/hr for 2012 bringing your total per hour wage to $23.57 not including what is paid for your benefits. Throw that on top and I bet you are well over the top driver rate. I don't think it's very unreasonable to see that people starting a few years later in the either the 2002 or 2008 Contract should be making a less. At my 10 year mark I was making $20.88/hr. (we'll leave out the paid holidays, sick pay, and very generous vacation package just to keep things simple) Don't get me wrong, I hope everyone- Full and Part Time- come away very happy in the next Contract. Everybody working here now that is. I'm not going to lose any sleep over people that may never be hired. This Company has made a lot of money and it's all been on the backs of Hub workers, Package & Air Drivers, and Feeder Drivers so we more than deserve to share in the wealth. However, I'm also cognizant of the fact that Companies have a life cycle and we may be getting near that point where if we take too much UPS will start to strain under the burden. I'm not interested in having this Company go the way of others that were overburdened by their Union contracts. Of course, many of those Companies had other issues that caused their demise and I think were are still competitive, strong, and still the best at what we do. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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