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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 561985" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Since the Middle East has been brought up and no arguement, take out the oil and our interest in that region and it's conflicts would be nowhere to be found. That said, there are forces at play from the Saudi royals themselves early on to hide their hands in the pie as the esculation of Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laben began to play out. They even used early terrorist attacks to shift the blame to their enemies in the Shia of Iran and we took the bait. Whatelse has happened in the Middle East that is the hand of sunni rather than shia and the whole time we're setting about the region benefitting the Saudi royals who may in historical time prove to be more at the hand in all this mess than we are now led to believe. Let's not ignore our efforts to lock down<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iran/Background.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"> Iranian oil</span> </a>behind an <a href="http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_oil0498_06_23.asp" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">embargo</span></a> while Saudi and potentially even more Sunni oil freely flows forth. Are we're intervening in a market to benefit a monopoly <a href="http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2002/12/20/magazine/22primer.468.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">baron</span></a> and thus sacrifice the blood of our own in doing so?</p><p></p><p>Let's be honest here, take Iraq oil and then Iranian oil off the global market and what does the price of Saudi oil do? Is the real reason in the Persian Gulf really about <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2194255/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Carter's proclaimation</span> </a>of protecting the region on a Cold War paradign from the perspective of the Think Tankers while the money men see a means to a profit and protecting the status of US reserve currency dominance?</p><p></p><p>What I also find interesting is the oil production history of both Iran and Iraq from 1973' to the present. But looking at the charts you might notice 2 interesting eras for both nations. Iran saw the overthrow of the Shah in 79' and hence it's oil output plunged. In 1981' we also see a pronounced drop in Iraq oil output that really started in 1979' when Saddam took power under interesting circumstances. One has to wonder about the CIA's track record here considering the activites of both past and future from a 1979' perspective. But one also has to wonder what might have been the real motive of the Israeli's when they entered the fray in 1981'. Doesn't something about this story sound all to familar? Could Kuwait have been a baited trap to set up conditions for the CIA and like minded friends to clean up the very mess <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140705023408/http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm" target="_blank">they help create </a>in the first place? When in the late 1990's it was apparent Saddam had circumvented the embargo with some interesting help but how funny when you consider the names of who at that same time were pushing the Clinton adminstration to invade Iraq with the idea of formenting regime change of which President Clinton was all the more willing to champion. But then, maybe Iraq's greatest sin was before the 2000' election and thus the importance of a specific side needing to win that election and going to whatever lengths to make sure it's able to cover it's tracks!</p><p></p><p>And what about Iran? Sure, their production fell after the Shah was removed but they were kept in check via a rigged game of the Iraq/US/NATO interests but also in this alliance were the Saudi's who <a href="http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/crudeoilprice7381.gif" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">profitted during this period</span> </a>of oil limits to the market. And let's not mention Iran <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5092" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">following Iraq's footsteps</span></a> and how long before Washington try's to pull the nuclear option on <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUSN1441691620080314" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">a misbehaving Chavez</span></a>? The need to protect the dollar's global reserve currency hegemony at all cost is even more important now and at the same time, these so-called enemies now know our true weakness as they know head to head on the military battlefield they stand no chance. But on the economic battlefield, have they slit our throats and are now standing back watching us slowly bleed to death?</p><p></p><p>Through all this mess, the Saudi's always profitted and yet, from where did almost all the <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?friend=/gate/archive/2005/05/20/notes052005.DTL&nl=fix" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">9/11 terrorist come from</span></a>? It's long past due we rethink and re-look at the Middle East region, who we call our friends and most importantly, why we call them friends.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/porter06242009.html" target="_blank">Investigating the Khobar Tower Bombing </a></p><p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/porter06242009.html" target="_blank">By GARETH PORTER </a></p><p></p><p>Scott Horton of Austin Texas radio station KAOS-FM <a href="http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/07/11/gareth-porter-59/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">interviewed</span></a> Gareth on this subject as well for which Gareth has written a 5 part piece for IPS (InterPress Service) Links to Gareth's 5 parts are found at the above link also along with the actual interview.</p><p></p><p>Maybe we should look at what sits literally right in front of our faces</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105871269" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Report: Saudi Royals May Have Financed Militants</span></a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/middleeast/24saudi.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Documents Back Saudi Link to Extremists </span></a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100117010427/http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98952&sectionid=3510203" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Saudi royals funded 9/11: Lawyers</span></a></p><p></p><p>"YUK! YUK! YUK! We Fooled Em' AGAIN. Let's have a beer and celebrate the New President's continuing "The Game!"</p><p></p><p>Did we ever just consider the fact that <a href="http://earthhopenetwork.net/obama_bowing_to_saudi_king.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Obama</span></a> was doing what<a href="http://media.photobucket.com/image/saudi%20royals%25253Ebush/HARTWICK26/George_W_Bush_Prince_Abdullah_kiss_.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"> Bush</span> </a>before him did, or <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9606/26/saudi.security/clinton.fahd.large.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Clinton</span></a> before that and Bush 1 before that. Maybe it's past time we started looking down the rabbit hole just to see how far it goes. Once we get past <a href="http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">the upper parts</span></a>, we might be shocked.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 561985, member: 2189"] Since the Middle East has been brought up and no arguement, take out the oil and our interest in that region and it's conflicts would be nowhere to be found. That said, there are forces at play from the Saudi royals themselves early on to hide their hands in the pie as the esculation of Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laben began to play out. They even used early terrorist attacks to shift the blame to their enemies in the Shia of Iran and we took the bait. Whatelse has happened in the Middle East that is the hand of sunni rather than shia and the whole time we're setting about the region benefitting the Saudi royals who may in historical time prove to be more at the hand in all this mess than we are now led to believe. Let's not ignore our efforts to lock down[URL='http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iran/Background.html'][COLOR=red] Iranian oil[/COLOR] [/URL]behind an [URL='http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/me_oil0498_06_23.asp'][COLOR=red]embargo[/COLOR][/URL] while Saudi and potentially even more Sunni oil freely flows forth. Are we're intervening in a market to benefit a monopoly [URL='http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2002/12/20/magazine/22primer.468.jpg'][COLOR=red]baron[/COLOR][/URL] and thus sacrifice the blood of our own in doing so? Let's be honest here, take Iraq oil and then Iranian oil off the global market and what does the price of Saudi oil do? Is the real reason in the Persian Gulf really about [URL='http://www.slate.com/id/2194255/'][COLOR=red]Carter's proclaimation[/COLOR] [/URL]of protecting the region on a Cold War paradign from the perspective of the Think Tankers while the money men see a means to a profit and protecting the status of US reserve currency dominance? What I also find interesting is the oil production history of both Iran and Iraq from 1973' to the present. But looking at the charts you might notice 2 interesting eras for both nations. Iran saw the overthrow of the Shah in 79' and hence it's oil output plunged. In 1981' we also see a pronounced drop in Iraq oil output that really started in 1979' when Saddam took power under interesting circumstances. One has to wonder about the CIA's track record here considering the activites of both past and future from a 1979' perspective. But one also has to wonder what might have been the real motive of the Israeli's when they entered the fray in 1981'. Doesn't something about this story sound all to familar? Could Kuwait have been a baited trap to set up conditions for the CIA and like minded friends to clean up the very mess [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20140705023408/http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm']they help create [/URL]in the first place? When in the late 1990's it was apparent Saddam had circumvented the embargo with some interesting help but how funny when you consider the names of who at that same time were pushing the Clinton adminstration to invade Iraq with the idea of formenting regime change of which President Clinton was all the more willing to champion. But then, maybe Iraq's greatest sin was before the 2000' election and thus the importance of a specific side needing to win that election and going to whatever lengths to make sure it's able to cover it's tracks! And what about Iran? Sure, their production fell after the Shah was removed but they were kept in check via a rigged game of the Iraq/US/NATO interests but also in this alliance were the Saudi's who [URL='http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/crudeoilprice7381.gif'][COLOR=red]profitted during this period[/COLOR] [/URL]of oil limits to the market. And let's not mention Iran [URL='http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5092'][COLOR=red]following Iraq's footsteps[/COLOR][/URL] and how long before Washington try's to pull the nuclear option on [URL='http://www.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUSN1441691620080314'][COLOR=red]a misbehaving Chavez[/COLOR][/URL]? The need to protect the dollar's global reserve currency hegemony at all cost is even more important now and at the same time, these so-called enemies now know our true weakness as they know head to head on the military battlefield they stand no chance. But on the economic battlefield, have they slit our throats and are now standing back watching us slowly bleed to death? Through all this mess, the Saudi's always profitted and yet, from where did almost all the [URL='http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?friend=/gate/archive/2005/05/20/notes052005.DTL&nl=fix'][COLOR=red]9/11 terrorist come from[/COLOR][/URL]? It's long past due we rethink and re-look at the Middle East region, who we call our friends and most importantly, why we call them friends. [URL='http://www.counterpunch.org/porter06242009.html']Investigating the Khobar Tower Bombing By GARETH PORTER [/URL] Scott Horton of Austin Texas radio station KAOS-FM [URL='http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/07/11/gareth-porter-59/'][COLOR=red]interviewed[/COLOR][/URL] Gareth on this subject as well for which Gareth has written a 5 part piece for IPS (InterPress Service) Links to Gareth's 5 parts are found at the above link also along with the actual interview. Maybe we should look at what sits literally right in front of our faces [URL='http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105871269'][COLOR=red]Report: Saudi Royals May Have Financed Militants[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/middleeast/24saudi.html'][COLOR=red]Documents Back Saudi Link to Extremists [/COLOR][/URL] [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20100117010427/http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98952§ionid=3510203'][COLOR=red]Saudi royals funded 9/11: Lawyers[/COLOR][/URL] "YUK! YUK! YUK! We Fooled Em' AGAIN. Let's have a beer and celebrate the New President's continuing "The Game!" Did we ever just consider the fact that [URL='http://earthhopenetwork.net/obama_bowing_to_saudi_king.jpg'][COLOR=red]Obama[/COLOR][/URL] was doing what[URL='http://media.photobucket.com/image/saudi%20royals%25253Ebush/HARTWICK26/George_W_Bush_Prince_Abdullah_kiss_.jpg'][COLOR=red] Bush[/COLOR] [/URL]before him did, or [URL='http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9606/26/saudi.security/clinton.fahd.large.jpg'][COLOR=red]Clinton[/COLOR][/URL] before that and Bush 1 before that. Maybe it's past time we started looking down the rabbit hole just to see how far it goes. Once we get past [URL='http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm'][COLOR=red]the upper parts[/COLOR][/URL], we might be shocked. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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