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<blockquote data-quote="trplnkl" data-source="post: 443374" data-attributes="member: 13254"><p>In response to Gandydancer: "OK. Now, I hope, you can express your thoughts on this without being hushed by the mourners."</p><p> Gandy, my desire to "hush" any discussion was in respect to the mourning widow. One thing I have learned on public forums is that sooner or later someone was going to try and place all the blame on UPS management. That would not have been left alone by some others and before you know it, it could become quite nasty. I was trying to place a wall between Mrs. Barnett and the ugliness I have seen from time to time on this forum. I'm not saying that anyone would be incorrect in their position, but that the manner of speech that could be very abrasive to someone with their emotions already raw to the touch. I hope this makes sense to everyone, I do not have any desire to be the thread police. </p><p></p><p> One of my biggest complaints about UPS is that the rules are so numerous and complicated that they work against each other much of the time. Sometime the rules are not the same for management as for the hourly and rarely are the punishments for infractions equal. Integrity is a prime example one of those rules. Just yesterday, I had an off area business misload for our centers home town and I was delivering 90 miles away. Having my usual heavy load that was it's usual mess, I knew full well that the business would be closed long before I could even make my meet point for sending in my outgoing volume and management knew it too. I had called the center when I found the misload and reported it, a few hours later I received at text message to record the package before 1700 as closed. I replied with an inquiry as to whom sent me the message. Of course I did not get an answer. Before doing as I was instructed, I took a cell phone pick of the text message. I have a problem with this because I could very well be fired for dishonesty. The worst that might happen to the center manager in this case would be demotion and possibly relocated, but neither are likely to happen to them.</p><p></p><p> Danny said "getting back to jim, fired for dishonesty. with that charge, he can not draw unemployment (unless things have changed recently) and <strong>he is now and forever "branded". every job application he now fills out will have to have ups as a reference, and in doing so, he will have to state why he left."</strong></p><p> <strong></strong>This is not entirely true. On future applications you can state the reason for leaving as "irreconcilable differences" and say that you are not at liberty to discuss the details. Granted that might keep you from getting some jobs but is better than trying to explain the situation. Federal law says the company can not divulge information regarding your employment tenure that you had not previously mentioned in your application. They can't even say that they would or would not rehire you. They can not say you were fired for any reason. All they can really say is that you were employed there from <u>date to date</u>. Unemployment rules differ from state to state.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="trplnkl, post: 443374, member: 13254"] In response to Gandydancer: "OK. Now, I hope, you can express your thoughts on this without being hushed by the mourners." Gandy, my desire to "hush" any discussion was in respect to the mourning widow. One thing I have learned on public forums is that sooner or later someone was going to try and place all the blame on UPS management. That would not have been left alone by some others and before you know it, it could become quite nasty. I was trying to place a wall between Mrs. Barnett and the ugliness I have seen from time to time on this forum. I'm not saying that anyone would be incorrect in their position, but that the manner of speech that could be very abrasive to someone with their emotions already raw to the touch. I hope this makes sense to everyone, I do not have any desire to be the thread police. One of my biggest complaints about UPS is that the rules are so numerous and complicated that they work against each other much of the time. Sometime the rules are not the same for management as for the hourly and rarely are the punishments for infractions equal. Integrity is a prime example one of those rules. Just yesterday, I had an off area business misload for our centers home town and I was delivering 90 miles away. Having my usual heavy load that was it's usual mess, I knew full well that the business would be closed long before I could even make my meet point for sending in my outgoing volume and management knew it too. I had called the center when I found the misload and reported it, a few hours later I received at text message to record the package before 1700 as closed. I replied with an inquiry as to whom sent me the message. Of course I did not get an answer. Before doing as I was instructed, I took a cell phone pick of the text message. I have a problem with this because I could very well be fired for dishonesty. The worst that might happen to the center manager in this case would be demotion and possibly relocated, but neither are likely to happen to them. Danny said "getting back to jim, fired for dishonesty. with that charge, he can not draw unemployment (unless things have changed recently) and [B]he is now and forever "branded". every job application he now fills out will have to have ups as a reference, and in doing so, he will have to state why he left." [/B]This is not entirely true. On future applications you can state the reason for leaving as "irreconcilable differences" and say that you are not at liberty to discuss the details. Granted that might keep you from getting some jobs but is better than trying to explain the situation. Federal law says the company can not divulge information regarding your employment tenure that you had not previously mentioned in your application. They can't even say that they would or would not rehire you. They can not say you were fired for any reason. All they can really say is that you were employed there from [U]date to date[/U]. Unemployment rules differ from state to state. [/QUOTE]
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