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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1191083" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I agree the Maddow piece is worth watching and also agree the red herring of discussing the TV ratings issue are to be kind, irrelevant. </p><p></p><p>That said, as I watched Maddow in her opening remarks describe how armies send their troops into suicidal situations, does not all warfare on some degree qualify? We celebrate the loss of life on Omaha Beach from storming the German positions but for some, it was suicide. Large numbers of rushing forces increase the odds of more making it but the reality is those war planners and war leaders knew for some it was a death sentence. Doesn't mean there are not times and causes worth facing the potential of losing one's life for but let's not stand here and say it's always "them" who instill the "mass suicide" mindset into "their" people for political, cultural or nation state causes.</p><p></p><p>And to Kerry's words about the tragic loss of life from these attacks. Agree, it is tragic, regardless who did it and it's true both sides had the capacity to do this not to mention other outside parties in the region with strong reasons of self interest to do so. Kerry goes on to rightfully mourn the loss of life among children and to appear to hold a vastly higher moral ground yet using the means of a power or any power to inflict such harm, especially on children, do we dare stand here and point the boney finger of condemnation of the killers of these children and other innocents when, may I now direct your attention to one Sec. of State Albright, que the tape:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo" target="_blank">Madeleine Albright Defends Mass-Murder of iraqi Children (500,000 Children dead) - YouTube</a></p><p></p><p>We didn't use chemical weapons, we used economic weapons and yet those children like their counterparts in Syria died just the same. I find the moral outrage of our nation state actors contemptible, hypocritical and morally repulsive. I've no doubt the PR machine of both the so-called statist left and statist right will be afoot in the coming days beating the drums of war to once again sacrifice the innocent to the elite ruling class whom otherwise we can call Moloch. Like the ancient practice, the outcome is still the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1191083, member: 2189"] I agree the Maddow piece is worth watching and also agree the red herring of discussing the TV ratings issue are to be kind, irrelevant. That said, as I watched Maddow in her opening remarks describe how armies send their troops into suicidal situations, does not all warfare on some degree qualify? We celebrate the loss of life on Omaha Beach from storming the German positions but for some, it was suicide. Large numbers of rushing forces increase the odds of more making it but the reality is those war planners and war leaders knew for some it was a death sentence. Doesn't mean there are not times and causes worth facing the potential of losing one's life for but let's not stand here and say it's always "them" who instill the "mass suicide" mindset into "their" people for political, cultural or nation state causes. And to Kerry's words about the tragic loss of life from these attacks. Agree, it is tragic, regardless who did it and it's true both sides had the capacity to do this not to mention other outside parties in the region with strong reasons of self interest to do so. Kerry goes on to rightfully mourn the loss of life among children and to appear to hold a vastly higher moral ground yet using the means of a power or any power to inflict such harm, especially on children, do we dare stand here and point the boney finger of condemnation of the killers of these children and other innocents when, may I now direct your attention to one Sec. of State Albright, que the tape: [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo"]Madeleine Albright Defends Mass-Murder of iraqi Children (500,000 Children dead) - YouTube[/URL] We didn't use chemical weapons, we used economic weapons and yet those children like their counterparts in Syria died just the same. I find the moral outrage of our nation state actors contemptible, hypocritical and morally repulsive. I've no doubt the PR machine of both the so-called statist left and statist right will be afoot in the coming days beating the drums of war to once again sacrifice the innocent to the elite ruling class whom otherwise we can call Moloch. Like the ancient practice, the outcome is still the same. [/QUOTE]
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