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Thanks Andy, Still Voting NO
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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1218636" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Why is it <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />, that you NEVER mention the diversion of pension money on the back end to pay for this wonderful healthcare plan? Why dont you give us the breakdown of that diversion ie: how much a year is taken out of our pensions and diverted to the "carve out".</p><p></p><p>For example... .50 cents year one (x) times 2080= $1040.00 out of our pension the first year?</p><p></p><p>Why do YOU leave this out of your equations? How can YOU say this is the same as what we have already over and over? How is diverting pension money OUT of our pensions a good thing for us in the future?</p><p></p><p>If we are to be on a fixed income upon retirement, and then forced to pay $300.00 a month for coverage, then todays diversion will only hurt retirees later. That money that is lost to pay for this "identical" health care plan will hurt the most upon retirement.</p><p></p><p>Lets at least get one thing straight. YOU are not in the position to give advice on voting or this contract. You didnt vote the first time around. No matter what your excuse. You have shown us all that you are nothing more than a parrot for Andy.</p><p></p><p>You studied the talking points, thats for sure. You are somehow sold on the idea, we get it, but you are not in a position to give anyone advice. You want to hand out donuts, go for it. Thats the level of your experience.</p><p></p><p>The last two contracts HURT all teamsters, and yet you want to toss them out there like they were gospel. In the last two contracts, the teamsters sold out the part timers by extending progression 4 YEARS. In the last contract, article 6 language opened the door to production harrassment and this new language makes it even easier for the company to discipline the members upto and including discharge from information recieved by technological sources.</p><p></p><p>In the last contract, we voted on 9.5 language that was printed in the book, and yet, without our consent, the teamsters including H and Kelly allowed that language to be tossed out and replaced with useless ineffective language and excessive overtime only INCREASED across the board.</p><p></p><p>In this new contract, the 9.5 language is now weaker and the length of time extended for settling a grievance.</p><p></p><p>These are only a few of the real issues in the contract other than healthcare, but YOU, will rally like a short skirted teenaged girl for its passage.</p><p></p><p>The southwest has some crappy cards to deal with, we get that. But then again, Hoffa/Hall should have NEVER put us into this situation and should have negotiated to maintain our health care with UPS upto and including taking us on strike.</p><p></p><p>Now we have to settle for "CRAPPY", and a guy like YOU who didnt vote wants to tell the rest of the voting community to vote yes.</p><p></p><p>Seems oddly stupid.</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1218636, member: 17969"] Why is it :censored:, that you NEVER mention the diversion of pension money on the back end to pay for this wonderful healthcare plan? Why dont you give us the breakdown of that diversion ie: how much a year is taken out of our pensions and diverted to the "carve out". For example... .50 cents year one (x) times 2080= $1040.00 out of our pension the first year? Why do YOU leave this out of your equations? How can YOU say this is the same as what we have already over and over? How is diverting pension money OUT of our pensions a good thing for us in the future? If we are to be on a fixed income upon retirement, and then forced to pay $300.00 a month for coverage, then todays diversion will only hurt retirees later. That money that is lost to pay for this "identical" health care plan will hurt the most upon retirement. Lets at least get one thing straight. YOU are not in the position to give advice on voting or this contract. You didnt vote the first time around. No matter what your excuse. You have shown us all that you are nothing more than a parrot for Andy. You studied the talking points, thats for sure. You are somehow sold on the idea, we get it, but you are not in a position to give anyone advice. You want to hand out donuts, go for it. Thats the level of your experience. The last two contracts HURT all teamsters, and yet you want to toss them out there like they were gospel. In the last two contracts, the teamsters sold out the part timers by extending progression 4 YEARS. In the last contract, article 6 language opened the door to production harrassment and this new language makes it even easier for the company to discipline the members upto and including discharge from information recieved by technological sources. In the last contract, we voted on 9.5 language that was printed in the book, and yet, without our consent, the teamsters including H and Kelly allowed that language to be tossed out and replaced with useless ineffective language and excessive overtime only INCREASED across the board. In this new contract, the 9.5 language is now weaker and the length of time extended for settling a grievance. These are only a few of the real issues in the contract other than healthcare, but YOU, will rally like a short skirted teenaged girl for its passage. The southwest has some crappy cards to deal with, we get that. But then again, Hoffa/Hall should have NEVER put us into this situation and should have negotiated to maintain our health care with UPS upto and including taking us on strike. Now we have to settle for "CRAPPY", and a guy like YOU who didnt vote wants to tell the rest of the voting community to vote yes. Seems oddly stupid. TOS [/QUOTE]
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