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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4910123" data-attributes="member: 63706">You don&#039;t fight collectivism with another version of collectivism. It&#039;s convenient, and easier, to group people together by arbitrary factors and pretend they all suffer or benefit equally from all the same circumstances. But that is a lie, and any solutions based on lies will never address the real problem, that being you simply can&#039;t group people together arbitrarily. You made a few claims that I don&#039;t stipulate as true. Government is not required to turn a blind eye to the way society treats some of its members. What does that even mean? Government is people, society is people. It&#039;s another attempt at collectivizing guilt. The only way to address injustice is on an individual level. If someone or groups of ssomeones violate the rights of others, those people should face the consequences. You don&#039;t address the guilty parties by blaming all of society for their crimes. But that&#039;s the express intent of CRT as it is being used in the classroom.Then you day that it is imperative that the government attempt to rectify those conditions. Why? All that it is imperative that the government do is provide for the common defense, protect the rights of Its citizens, and enforce contracts. If someone breaks the law, then they should face the consequences, not everyone who happens to share a skin tone with the guilty.I have never made the claim that race isn&#039;t or hasn&#039;t been a factor, so I don&#039;t see a need to defend that position. The problem is that race is not always a factor, nor is it the only or even the most important factor in every particular injustice, so focusing on race as the main factor all injustice throughout all of history is not going to help create any meaningful change.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4910123, member: 63706"] You don't fight collectivism with another version of collectivism. It's convenient, and easier, to group people together by arbitrary factors and pretend they all suffer or benefit equally from all the same circumstances. But that is a lie, and any solutions based on lies will never address the real problem, that being you simply can't group people together arbitrarily. You made a few claims that I don't stipulate as true. Government is not required to turn a blind eye to the way society treats some of its members. What does that even mean? Government is people, society is people. It's another attempt at collectivizing guilt. The only way to address injustice is on an individual level. If someone or groups of ssomeones violate the rights of others, those people should face the consequences. You don't address the guilty parties by blaming all of society for their crimes. But that's the express intent of CRT as it is being used in the classroom. Then you day that it is imperative that the government attempt to rectify those conditions. Why? All that it is imperative that the government do is provide for the common defense, protect the rights of Its citizens, and enforce contracts. If someone breaks the law, then [I]they[/I] should face the consequences, not everyone who happens to share a skin tone with the guilty. I have never made the claim that race isn't or hasn't been a factor, so I don't see a need to defend that position. The problem is that race is not always a factor, nor is it the only or even the most important factor in every particular injustice, so focusing on race as the main factor all injustice throughout all of history is not going to help create any meaningful change. [/QUOTE]

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