The Myth of AQI

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wkmac, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    This piece is lengthy (like my posts!):lol::lol::lol: but well worth the read. The writer is a former Iraq correspondent for the Stars and Stripes newspaper in 2005 and 2006 and if you don't know what Stars and Stripes is, ask any service man or woman and they can tell you. I know some here will see this in a bad light or as an attack on the current policy and even some an attack on the military but I don't see that at all. It asks a lot of good questions and gives lots of detail to consider in trying to understand much of what is going on. I hope you'll take the time to read it whether you agree or not.
  2. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    This article does have some truths to it. I would like to say there is more to slapping the label of AQI on someone than just convenience. Without going into to much detail the different groups use different types of attacks. You can watch the news and see a car bomb go off but there is always more to it than that. When a group finds something that works for them they tend to stick with it for a while. I am talking about types of explosives, trigger devices and placement.

    I can say without any doubt that one way we have linked groups to Al Queada in Iraq is by intercepting communications between groups. This by itself would not make you a terrorist but when you take your orders and train with and facilitate operations for you can see how they get labeled.

    I think I am safe to say this now. Al Queada used to put out a newsletter. I think they finally figured out that made our job a little to easy. Anyway everyone has an opinion but I still think it would be nice to have a strong ally in the area and since the vast majority of the Iraqi people already like us so much why not continue to help them and possibly gain a strong ally in the Middle East?
  3. diesel96

    diesel96 Well-Known Member

    It's amazing, if I posted this link I'd be called a "traiter","unpatriotic","don't support the troops","don't love your country" or "you have an agenda to slam Republicans". must be made of teflon( or your post are so long , and informative people just get fustrated and concede).
    Or maybe Rep's consider Indep"s higher in the food chain than Dem's in Brown Cafe and cut you more slack.
    So you bring this link to our attention, and suggests it asks alot of questions and details to consider in trying to understand whats going on, but you don't offer an opinion on the article.
    New lite beer "Man Law"...When one offers link to the group, then one offers an opinion.(And no fruit in beer)
    It seems like you like to bait the hook with a rubber worm, cast it out to some sucker fishes and see if they take the bait or spit it out! And then SET THE HOOK when catching a misguided or uninformed sucker. I'll admit you caught me a couple times, but I hope you believe in the catch and release honor system. (Oops, I said "honor", as a Dem am I allowed to say "honor")

  4. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    It's not teflon Diesel, they're sacred to death I'll write a book in response! It's all a part of my master plan to take over the world. Bored everyone to death so that I'm the only one left and I'll,

    OWN IT ALL!!! IT'S MINE I TELL YOU, IT'S ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    BTW: And I don't think you are unpatriotic or a traitor at all. I don't think that of anyone here for the record.

    Now back to the "MY WORLD" comment, That's the first step Diesel, is to at least at some point have fun and even be willing to make some fun of yourself. You take all of this way to dam# serious at times like it's some kind of war. Do you honestly think any of us is going to change the world pontificating BS here? I sure don't but it is a great place to vent but also have some fun too and even learn. In some cases this place has forced me to go out and really read a lot more on a subject and even read contary points of view and that's good for anyone and I'd bet you'd agree with that. However, can you force everyone to do that? Nope and don't want to either but I can bore them to death and torture them with what I find which is even more fun!

    I might just piss them off enough to the point that they do go out and read just to try and slam me down and that my friend is the point and I do say that with no smile or joke and with serious face. We face many problems and no one entity is going to have all the answers to everything.

    Another problem that I see from your posts is your attitude. I know some of the other posters here post from a poltical perspective you disagree with and I at times do to but when they are right I say so and have no problems with doing it. You've been right at times, Big Arrow has been right, dare I say it but so has Tieguy. :wink: Love and kisses Tie.
    Also don't always take an opposing point on every issue because sometimes agreeing and going further just might have the person look further at the issue and maybe they come to a differnt point of view. The post of the movie about Vietnam Big spoke of seeing the film with his father and I told him that's an excellent idea. Now I happen to believe Vietnam was bad foreign policy as it was nothing but us trying to salvage French imperial territory just as we are salvaging British and French imperial territory in the mideast today (I keep telling you people to read about the post WW1 settlements ending the war and dividing up the old Ottoman empire) but I know Big and his dad may believe different. However, Big's dad having been there may see something in that movie that he remembers and then maybe that position just might change just a wee bit. If nothing else, if the movie give those 2 time together even if they come out with the same opinion, it's still worth it IMO.

    As for my teflon coat, Tie and a couple of others here will tell you that I've even called the gov't in Washington a Fascist gov't in several threads and still do to this day. And when I did not one person called me out or challenged me, not that they agreed or that I was even right but I point out why in a technical sense this was IMO true. I also call neo-conservatives neo-cons not to slame them but it's quicker to type neo-con. Irving Kristol who is the father of the neo-conservative movement coined the term neo-conservative in order to differ themselves from the more traditional conservatives like say a Barry Goldwater who was more in the mold of an 18th or 19th century "classic liberal". The terms liberal and conservative are so muddied these days I find them almost useless when discussing political theories in any serious and meaningful way.

    These folks here completely and openly allowed me to voice my opinion with no problems what so ever so your suggested claims at times that some here are trying to trample free speech doesn't wash with me because I've stepped out into those extremes and the waters have always been warm and inviting. It's odd that most verbal and harsh attacks towards my expressed opinions here when they border into libertarian thought have been from folks like yourself, a Sue Zee girl and a lazy person in the name of an animal. Sure, Big and Tie and others object from time to time to some specific points and mostly in the realm of what they believe are moral voilations but none have ever attack me being lbertarian. Oddly that has always come from folks holding themselves out as democrats who always champion openness and diversity. I guess the neo-cons are more open than they get credit for!:wink:

    BTW: I can't use their old names because of the BC police so my apologies to SuZEE and Sl0th for having to go this route. No disrespect was intended.

    You guys holding the so-called open and diversity position of being civil libertairians in the cause just attack any and all points of view if it doesn't square completely with your own. "You either fit this into my box or else!" seems to be you MO at times. This is an open forum, it's for discussion and the sharing of ideas and don't take any of this as a personal attack because you'd miss the point. If I didn't like you or respect some of your points I'd ignore your post like I think most everyone else will but I think in reality you're an OK guy and riding a Harley I'd bet a lot of fun too.

    We're all Americans here, we all come from various regions of the country where we all do things different. What works in your neighborhood may not work in mine and visa versa. We all see things different from our upbringing and cultural values and to try and create a central system with one set of rigid principles and ways of doing things in all matters will only in the end invite failure and discord and result in distrust and apathy, you know like we have now! :laugh: I joke but there's more truth there than we want to admit.

    Let me and my neighbors in my community live as we see fit and the same goes for you because the moment you consolidate and centralize you have the "well this is the way we do it where I live so you'll just have to adapt" mentality come into play and then the discord and argument begins. Then those opportunist who are out for themselves begin to see money to be made and they manipulate the system even further to their own ends and then we fight and argue even more as we position to have our guys in power to make sure that we live like we want to live and force everyone else to live likewise whether it's the best thing or not for them. The minority form lobby groups and info drives to push their agenda to make it the majority and then the former majority now the minority begin to push back likewise and all these competing and conflicting interests dominate the system to the point nothing gets done but arguing. Look at the global warming thread here as a perfect example. We argue over the science and ignore the real solutions out there that really do make a better quality of life and that is and can be very independent of a centralize system and put the individual person more in control of their own life and what it wrong with that? In the meantime beause everything is so politicized and so politically charges we just fight and fight while they rob us blind behind the scenes (both parties do it) and then the fighting amongst ourselves only continues to grow and grow.

    Yeah Diesel, 95% of what gov't does IMO is unneeded and as I've said before, in my perfect world I'd abolish the constitution and go back to the articles of confedration for starters but it's not my perfect world and likely won't be and I accept that. Also to walk in and dismantle everything all at once would likely be a self defeating effort and the people aren't really for it and the turmoil and chaos of such effort would likely breed a ground for a real tyrannt to step forth under hte guise of our save you from your pain and then their pain later would be horrible. We have what we have and will likely have for some time to come. However, I don't blame you or anyone else even though you support a contary viewpoint in some fashion and defend it even at the ballot box. If I don't blame you or feel you as some threat then why do you feel the same of me? And I ask that not as a specific question to you and I but general question that all of us should consider about the other person.

    We all need to remember that this forum is not the gathering of the Gods to determine the fate of mankind but is nothing more than a group of working stiffs getting togther and pontificating ideas in our own little belief that we are the masters of our world. NOT!!!!!!

    Instead, we should see ourselves as a bunch of UPSers, killing a couple of cold brews and sharing how we see the things of the world and how we see them differently and yes sometimes that does involve long and wordy explainations that border on the absolute boring.

    Like this post!


    Admit it Diesel, I just made you smile if not laugh and that's what I'm talking about!
  5. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the insight and huge thanks for your service. You guys are a national treasure IMO!
  6. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member


    Haven't been able to read it all and it is long but I wanted to share it with you for your insight and thoughts. Appreciated your comments to me the other day on this similar subject. I know we both share a hope that our guys do catch this guy and I do hope HVT-1 and HVT-2 are caught alive and then allowed to rot in some prison he11hole for the world to see. Although the thought of some average grunt GI getting to cap his arse in the field is also very appealing too!

    I sure hope it's video'd for YouTube!

    c ya!
  7. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member


    About the time I made it to page nine I thought maybe you wrote the article.

    At the risk of getting my hand slapped by diesel again for straying off the topic of the thread I will answer your question.

    They covered many topics and the major question I would have is what did they leave out. On the first topic they covered they would leave you to believe that that patrol had no situational awareness. They were heading straight for a major hiding place with very poorly trained enemy sentries watching. They then turned away at the last second. They never noticed that they were being watched and they never picked up any of the radio traffic as Al Queada fighters communicated with each other. I think this is unlikely from what I have experienced. Were our soldiers turned away because they were over the border?

    On the thing with Rumsfield they kind of make my previous point for me in a round about way. I thought they operation had grown much larger in size but I was not there. This is a good reason to have civilian oversight for the military because many times there are more things to consider.

    On the force protection I will say there are career officers who are more worried about their future than doing their job. That being said I do not think the things he brought up were force protection issues solely. Many soldiers have aggressive personalities. This is a good thing but they have to have rules put in place for a reason.

    On a lighter note I think any high school freshman could make a better video than either of the two that were released this week. Maybe he is becoming ineffective.
  8. satellitedriver

    satellitedriver Moderator

  9. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Perhaps we have to use a different benchmark when discussing a strong ally in the middle east?
  10. diesel96

    diesel96 Well-Known Member

  11. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Also the author suggested we should have left our units in place in Afghanistan. I think this would have been a serious mistake. Combat operations take a heavy toll on your body. Units need time to recoup and train. I support a troop rotation policy and I do not think that pulling out one SOF ODA team and replacing it with another does much serious harm.
  12. satellitedriver

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  13. diesel96

    diesel96 Well-Known Member

  14. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Firefox :cool: (it spellchecks everything you type)
  15. satellitedriver

    satellitedriver Moderator

  16. tieguy

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  17. diesel96

    diesel96 Well-Known Member

  18. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Its funny how the left is trying to down play the upcomming troop reduction as just "putting us at the same troop levels from a year ago." It's not a good tactic because they were already crying about the war long before any increase in troop strength accured. A couple of years before actually. It's even funnier that they were all for the war in the beginning but as soon as the terrorist bombings started they quickly flipped the script and did what they are known best for.....curling up in the fetal position and calling for the immediate pullout of or troops.
  19. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    .....curling up in the fetal position and calling for ....

    Kind of like those little potato bugs you see all the time.....:)

  20. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member