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<blockquote data-quote="Maui" data-source="post: 2550394" data-attributes="member: 45037"><p>Seriously? I think this a perfect example of how easily many voters are duped. You have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to 2012 to see a bigger electoral vote win. Come on. You seem to study history, but fell for this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You do realize the Supreme Court changed provisions of the Voting Rights act, right? This was the first election in 50 years without the full, written protections of the VRA. </p><p></p><p>There are lots of lawsuits. Maybe just not visible in your news sources. If you are a white guy, then I would refrain from talking about voter suppression and intimidation when you are not likely to impacted by it. This whole country, for its entire history, has suppressed rights of minorities. That same history is alive and well today in unconstitutional attempts to make voting more difficult.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-provision.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-provision.html</a></p><p></p><p>The electoral college is an antiquated system. The same type of system that was used for centuries to select lords and kings in the middle ages, when territories where given proxy votes by leaders. I think most people understand what he EC is, but few understand its roots and how intricately linked it was to generating enough state support for the new Constitution in the slave states. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, we will never know the number of votes in Detroit (some precincts reported this problem, not all) or Michigan because of state laws regarding recounts. We will not know the cause (election officials blame old equipment) or the true intent of those voters. Might it be something nefarious? Maybe. Might it be voter suppression that kicked voters off the poll books? Could be. We do not know and we won't know. I am of the opinion that an election should be free and fair and all the votes should be counted. I support hand counting with watchers from both parties (throw in Green and Libertarian if you want). </p><p></p><p>The point of the recount was not to give victory to the candidate that won the most votes (Hillary by nearly 3 million), but to attempt to get an accurate counting of the votes and highlight problems with our current electoral process. Perhaps inadvertently, you did just that in this quote. And the recount still did not give us all the info.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maui, post: 2550394, member: 45037"] Seriously? I think this a perfect example of how easily many voters are duped. You have to go ALL THE WAY BACK to 2012 to see a bigger electoral vote win. Come on. You seem to study history, but fell for this. You do realize the Supreme Court changed provisions of the Voting Rights act, right? This was the first election in 50 years without the full, written protections of the VRA. There are lots of lawsuits. Maybe just not visible in your news sources. If you are a white guy, then I would refrain from talking about voter suppression and intimidation when you are not likely to impacted by it. This whole country, for its entire history, has suppressed rights of minorities. That same history is alive and well today in unconstitutional attempts to make voting more difficult. [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-provision.html[/URL] The electoral college is an antiquated system. The same type of system that was used for centuries to select lords and kings in the middle ages, when territories where given proxy votes by leaders. I think most people understand what he EC is, but few understand its roots and how intricately linked it was to generating enough state support for the new Constitution in the slave states. Unfortunately, we will never know the number of votes in Detroit (some precincts reported this problem, not all) or Michigan because of state laws regarding recounts. We will not know the cause (election officials blame old equipment) or the true intent of those voters. Might it be something nefarious? Maybe. Might it be voter suppression that kicked voters off the poll books? Could be. We do not know and we won't know. I am of the opinion that an election should be free and fair and all the votes should be counted. I support hand counting with watchers from both parties (throw in Green and Libertarian if you want). The point of the recount was not to give victory to the candidate that won the most votes (Hillary by nearly 3 million), but to attempt to get an accurate counting of the votes and highlight problems with our current electoral process. Perhaps inadvertently, you did just that in this quote. And the recount still did not give us all the info. [/QUOTE]
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