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<blockquote data-quote="Maui" data-source="post: 2556462" data-attributes="member: 45037"><p>Lots to unpack here. Largest Repub EC win in decades is a pretty low bar when the Dem candidate received more votes (from actual voters) in 6 of the last 7 elections over 24 years. Voter suppression is very real. The judge in the court decision I linked to earlier said NC laws targeted "minority voters with surgical precision" for disenfranchisement. Seriously just a privileged position to believe otherwise. In this ~230 year old republic the majority of citizens, for the majority of time, could not vote (women, black, natives, etc.) and I think even your biased news sources include info from unpresidential thanking AA that did not vote. Even your sources will likely tell you Repubs don't want more people to vote.</p><p></p><p>Of course there have been many challenges and proposed changes to the EC since the first votes in 1800.</p><p>1950 - Lodge-Gossett Amendment</p><p>1952 - SJ 152</p><p>1966 - State of Delaware v State of New York</p><p></p><p>And many others including the current National Popular vote push started in 2004 after Kerry nearly beat Bush (Franklin County, OH would have given him OH and the election) even as he earned fewer votes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sometimes it is better to lose for the right reasons than win for the wrong ones. The unpresident is a con man and willing to say anything to win. He courted bigots and white supremacists with his rhetoric. He surrounded himself with homophobes and transphobia. Hillary, nor any other decent, moral person should try to win that way. Remember, the Dems usually get more votes and they have for the majority of elections for the last 24 years.</p><p></p><p>I agree the country is polarized and I believe we have a severe lack of critical thinking skills. You and many others easily accept the worst possible motives about Hillary and other Dems. I have no trust whatever in Trump and always assign the worst possible motives to anything he does.I will continue to do that. I'm from small-town TN and most of family and friends from there are RW so I see the stuff they believe which is very often demonstrably untrue. I see my fellow libs fall for falsehoods about Trump, albeit at a much lower rate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Happy New Year. Of course there all 435 House seats are elected every year, so there are always enough seats up to change the House. Typically, 1/3 of the Senate is elected every two years( not accounting for run-offs and other special elections). It is very possible for Dems to take Congressional majorities in 2018, but I have my doubts. The map is less favorable to Dems than 2016 in the Senate, but some of the gerrymandering that Repubs did from 2010 census is no being undone as unconstitutional so House pickups may happen even if the votes stay roughly the same based on new, independent bipartisan boundaries.</p><p></p><p>Again, more people voted for Dem Senate and President. In 2012, Dems received more Senate, House and Presidential votes. Where the voters live matters, a lot. Too many American voters vote against their better interests.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maui, post: 2556462, member: 45037"] Lots to unpack here. Largest Repub EC win in decades is a pretty low bar when the Dem candidate received more votes (from actual voters) in 6 of the last 7 elections over 24 years. Voter suppression is very real. The judge in the court decision I linked to earlier said NC laws targeted "minority voters with surgical precision" for disenfranchisement. Seriously just a privileged position to believe otherwise. In this ~230 year old republic the majority of citizens, for the majority of time, could not vote (women, black, natives, etc.) and I think even your biased news sources include info from unpresidential thanking AA that did not vote. Even your sources will likely tell you Repubs don't want more people to vote. Of course there have been many challenges and proposed changes to the EC since the first votes in 1800. 1950 - Lodge-Gossett Amendment 1952 - SJ 152 1966 - State of Delaware v State of New York And many others including the current National Popular vote push started in 2004 after Kerry nearly beat Bush (Franklin County, OH would have given him OH and the election) even as he earned fewer votes. Sometimes it is better to lose for the right reasons than win for the wrong ones. The unpresident is a con man and willing to say anything to win. He courted bigots and white supremacists with his rhetoric. He surrounded himself with homophobes and transphobia. Hillary, nor any other decent, moral person should try to win that way. Remember, the Dems usually get more votes and they have for the majority of elections for the last 24 years. I agree the country is polarized and I believe we have a severe lack of critical thinking skills. You and many others easily accept the worst possible motives about Hillary and other Dems. I have no trust whatever in Trump and always assign the worst possible motives to anything he does.I will continue to do that. I'm from small-town TN and most of family and friends from there are RW so I see the stuff they believe which is very often demonstrably untrue. I see my fellow libs fall for falsehoods about Trump, albeit at a much lower rate. Happy New Year. Of course there all 435 House seats are elected every year, so there are always enough seats up to change the House. Typically, 1/3 of the Senate is elected every two years( not accounting for run-offs and other special elections). It is very possible for Dems to take Congressional majorities in 2018, but I have my doubts. The map is less favorable to Dems than 2016 in the Senate, but some of the gerrymandering that Repubs did from 2010 census is no being undone as unconstitutional so House pickups may happen even if the votes stay roughly the same based on new, independent bipartisan boundaries. Again, more people voted for Dem Senate and President. In 2012, Dems received more Senate, House and Presidential votes. Where the voters live matters, a lot. Too many American voters vote against their better interests. [/QUOTE]
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