The real pandemic, that is conveniently ignored.

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
gee i wonder what george orwell, a socialist, is talking about here LOL



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"Now, comrades, what is the nature of this life of ours? Let us face it: our lives are miserable, laborious, and short. We are born, we are given just so much food as will keep the breath in our bodies, and those of us who are capable of it are forced to work to the last atom of our strength; and the very instant that our usefulness has come to an end we are slaughtered with hideous cruelty. No animal in England knows the meaning of happiness or leisure after he is a year old. No animal in England is free. The life of an animal is misery and slavery: that is the plain truth.


"But is this simply part of the order of nature? Is it because this land of ours is so poor that it cannot afford a decent life to those who dwell upon it? No, comrades, a thousand times no! The soil of England is fertile, its climate is good, it is capable of affording food in abundance to an enormously greater number of animals than now inhabit it. This single farm of ours would support a dozen horses, twenty cows, hundreds of sheep--and all of them living in a comfort and a dignity that are now almost beyond our imagining. Why then do we continue in this miserable condition? Because nearly the whole of the produce of our labour is stolen from us by human beings. There, comrades, is the answer to all our problems. It is summed up in a single word--Man. Man is the only real enemy we have. Remove Man from the scene, and the root cause of hunger and overwork is abolished for ever.


"Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself. Our labour tills the soil, our dung fertilises it, and yet there is not one of us that owns more than his bare skin. You cows that I see before me, how many thousands of gallons of milk have you given during this last year? And what has happened to that milk which should have been breeding up sturdy calves? Every drop of it has gone down the throats of our enemies. And you hens, how many eggs have you laid in this last year, and how many of those eggs ever hatched into chickens? The rest have all gone to market to bring in money for Jones and his men. And you, Clover, where are those four foals you bore, who should have been the support and pleasure of your old age? Each was sold at a year old--you will never see one of them again. In return for your four confinements and all your labour in the fields, what have you ever had except your bare rations and a stall?


Like seriously, did you even read the book? Do you understand who the pigs are? Do you understand who Boxer is, and what happened to him and why? The fact that you are falling for the same garbage in the real world that the pigs were saying in Animal Farm, and you think Orwell actually presented those arguments as legitimate, words fail to describe that level of ignorance.
 

Tom MacDonald

Max E. Pads
You are Boxer, without the work ethic, and you believe you are Napoleon.
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rickyb

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Like seriously, did you even read the book? Do you understand who the pigs are? Do you understand who Boxer is, and what happened to him and why? The fact that you are falling for the same garbage in the real world that the pigs were saying in Animal Farm, and you think Orwell actually presented those arguments as legitimate, words fail to describe that level of ignorance.
u know orwell was a journalist in an actual anti capitalist revolution where the anarchists gained worker control until communists and facists who fighting in wwII joined to break it up right?

its called letters from catalonia. orwell was shot.

guarantee you if u look up if orwell was in favor of economic democracy and worker coops, he would be. that was the point of that book, and it showed how their "revolution" of state capitalism looked awfully similar to regular capitalism. orwell himself said soemthing like capitalism always devolves into fascism.
 

rickyb

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Like seriously, did you even read the book? Do you understand who the pigs are? Do you understand who Boxer is, and what happened to him and why? The fact that you are falling for the same garbage in the real world that the pigs were saying in Animal Farm, and you think Orwell actually presented those arguments as legitimate, words fail to describe that level of ignorance.
“It is futile to be ‘anti-Fascist’ while attempting to preserve capitalism,” George Orwell wrote. “Fascism after all is only a development of capitalism, and the mildest democracy, so-called, is liable to turn into Fascism.”

but ive heard guys on here think orwell is capitalist or whatever LOL
 

rickyb

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Anti-intellectualism is the hallmark of any fascist system. If ours were truly fascist, you wouldn't even be allowed to spread your fairy-tales.
as you know america has purged its reds at least 1x i can recall, and you have tech censorship.

orwell actually mentions freedom of speech in teh preface to animal farm. he says we shouldnt be patting ourselves on the back because we have self censorship without the use of force. one example of this is you can be pro war as a journalist, but if you are anti war you may lose your job for not being "objective"

america is a deeply anti intellectual society. your not fascist but u r not free either.
 
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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
as you know america has purged its reds at least 1x i can recall, and you have tech censorship.

orwell actually mentions freedom of speech in teh preface to animal farm. he says we shouldnt be patting ourselves on the back because we have self censorship without the use of force. one example of this is you can be pro war as a journalist, but if you are anti war you may lose your job for not being "objective"

america is a deeply anti intellectual society. your not fascist but u r not free either.

I vehemently disagree with your claim that America is deeply anti-intellectual. And your issue with the anti-war journalists, that you keep bringing back up, is absolute nonsense. It's like Lenin said, you focus on the hypocrisy, against which there can be no defense, and that is one way you agitate and divide. But this is a fake hypocrisy, made up because you can't think of better evidence to accuse the system over.

Journalists' jobs are to report the facts without putting their views into it. The fact that this almost never happens any more is more of a concern than anti-war journalists' views being stifled. If they wanted to report on the real reasons for the wars, with evidence, and report on the terrible things that happened as a result of war, there was nothing stopping them. If they got fired for going against their employer's wishes, sometimes that's the price of doing the right thing. They could just as easily founded their own outlet and established their own editorial guidelines. I assume that's probably what some did.

So you can stop beating that dead horse of non-self censorship.
 
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