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<blockquote data-quote="Bagels" data-source="post: 1068139" data-attributes="member: 43436"><p>-- I am pro-union. We are discussing why Hostess liquidated. Hostess liquidated because its cost structure made it incapable of competing in a market that will continue to decline. Managerial bonuses, which I have already indicated that I do not agree with, are peanuts and did not represent the problem. I dislike the competition's tactics (e.g. utilizing an independent contractor delivery model) and consider production worker's compensation ($17/hour, full health & pension benefits) to be fair in a perfect world. However, the world is not perfect, and I would recognize that should Hostess liquidate, I'd be competing for minimum-wage, no-benefit jobs, and therefore be open for discussion. The rejected offer, BTW, reduced wages to a maximum of $12/hour (varied based upon profitability), retained full heath benefits (but increased the premiums -- and what employees would've paid is still below-average) and moved their pension to a single-employer plan. This is STILL better than what employees of the competition receive -- and ions better than what they'll now get working at Walmart (Always Low Wages).</p><p></p><p>-- The article you linked to clearly blames the union as the root of the company's woes. It's written in a backhanded-style, but it's fairly clear.</p><p></p><p>-- No, I did not complain about feeling unappreciated as a helper.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bagels, post: 1068139, member: 43436"] -- I am pro-union. We are discussing why Hostess liquidated. Hostess liquidated because its cost structure made it incapable of competing in a market that will continue to decline. Managerial bonuses, which I have already indicated that I do not agree with, are peanuts and did not represent the problem. I dislike the competition's tactics (e.g. utilizing an independent contractor delivery model) and consider production worker's compensation ($17/hour, full health & pension benefits) to be fair in a perfect world. However, the world is not perfect, and I would recognize that should Hostess liquidate, I'd be competing for minimum-wage, no-benefit jobs, and therefore be open for discussion. The rejected offer, BTW, reduced wages to a maximum of $12/hour (varied based upon profitability), retained full heath benefits (but increased the premiums -- and what employees would've paid is still below-average) and moved their pension to a single-employer plan. This is STILL better than what employees of the competition receive -- and ions better than what they'll now get working at Walmart (Always Low Wages). -- The article you linked to clearly blames the union as the root of the company's woes. It's written in a backhanded-style, but it's fairly clear. -- No, I did not complain about feeling unappreciated as a helper. [/QUOTE]
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