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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 893203" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>But didn't your ancestors come here looking for something better? I'm almost half Cherokee and have Hispanic cousins so my perspective might be different. But my Irish and Scots-Irish ancestors came here to improve their lives. Doesn't have to be Mexico, there's a big world out there. But it simply costs more here and in other Western nations. If the corporations move their factories elsewhere to take advantage of better prices why can't we? Ultimately you've got to realize it's their game here in the States. Unfortunately due to the lack of a real pension and possibly Social Security collapsing at some point, most people won't have enough to leave anyways. Bit the world has places where you can get by fine, and with modern technology you're never out of touch, but you have to have an income to do it because you can't work in most places and it's for peanuts if you could. Fight the good fight, but you can't make them pay you really well, all you'll do is shut them down. UPS is an exception, and who knows how long that'll keep up? We in mid-range have been working side-by-side with topped out employees who have made considerably more than us for 12 years now. There may come a point where IBT will have to make concessions to stay competitive with our cut-rate Ground. New drivers will be working for much less than their senior counterparts. Think it can't happen? Ground keeps growing. Where do you think that business is coming from? Not from our bad economy. People are looking to save. It's a harsh reality but our corporate execs know, as Ricochet just pointed out, that they are in control and thus all the recent moves. So stay and work for as little as they can get away with paying you because that's what they really want, experienced, productive couriers for less. If all I'm going to do is just get by then I might as well get by without working. Better that than make some rich guys richer and struggling into my mid-60's if not longer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 893203, member: 24302"] But didn't your ancestors come here looking for something better? I'm almost half Cherokee and have Hispanic cousins so my perspective might be different. But my Irish and Scots-Irish ancestors came here to improve their lives. Doesn't have to be Mexico, there's a big world out there. But it simply costs more here and in other Western nations. If the corporations move their factories elsewhere to take advantage of better prices why can't we? Ultimately you've got to realize it's their game here in the States. Unfortunately due to the lack of a real pension and possibly Social Security collapsing at some point, most people won't have enough to leave anyways. Bit the world has places where you can get by fine, and with modern technology you're never out of touch, but you have to have an income to do it because you can't work in most places and it's for peanuts if you could. Fight the good fight, but you can't make them pay you really well, all you'll do is shut them down. UPS is an exception, and who knows how long that'll keep up? We in mid-range have been working side-by-side with topped out employees who have made considerably more than us for 12 years now. There may come a point where IBT will have to make concessions to stay competitive with our cut-rate Ground. New drivers will be working for much less than their senior counterparts. Think it can't happen? Ground keeps growing. Where do you think that business is coming from? Not from our bad economy. People are looking to save. It's a harsh reality but our corporate execs know, as Ricochet just pointed out, that they are in control and thus all the recent moves. So stay and work for as little as they can get away with paying you because that's what they really want, experienced, productive couriers for less. If all I'm going to do is just get by then I might as well get by without working. Better that than make some rich guys richer and struggling into my mid-60's if not longer. [/QUOTE]
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