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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 6059993" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Wasn&#039;t fooled into anything.&nbsp; Russia was not provoked into the war.&nbsp; Surely you&#039;re aware of Ukraine&#039;s famine history with Russia?&nbsp; Ukraine had every right to maintain their independence and sovereignty from people seeking to dominate them.&nbsp; To say that Russia only wanted the Donbas and Crimea with a strip of land between the two has not been born out by Russia&#039;s actions.&nbsp; Putin was furious that his puppet was driven out of office.&nbsp; And until Ukraine drove them back they were at the edge of Kyiv.&nbsp; I guarantee if the Ukrainians had surrendered they would have been absorbed into Russia.&nbsp; But as I&#039;ve said repeatedly to stop the war at this point means both sides making concessions.&nbsp; My way Ukraine keeps most of their country.&nbsp; Your way the weaker country is taken over by the bigger country.&nbsp; There was never any deal completed that would&#039;ve given both sides what they wanted.&nbsp; And you left out &quot;The talks of March 29th ended in the expectation that the draft agreement would be initialed by the principals, laying the foundation for a compromise peace.&quot; That&#039;s not quite what you said.&nbsp; And it was the seventh round of negotiations.&nbsp; Boris Johnson showed up about a week later.&nbsp; Washington and London offered help.&nbsp; Think Zelensky never asked for help before that?&nbsp; He was begging.&nbsp; The Ukrainians wanted to drive Russia out of Ukraine, not be conquered by them.&nbsp; If you really think all Putin wanted was just to take the area he seized already you&#039;re either naive or disingenuous.&nbsp; An appeaser.&nbsp; We all know what appeasing this kind of people leads to.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 6059993, member: 24302"] Wasn't fooled into anything. Russia was not provoked into the war. Surely you're aware of Ukraine's famine history with Russia? Ukraine had every right to maintain their independence and sovereignty from people seeking to dominate them. To say that Russia only wanted the Donbas and Crimea with a strip of land between the two has not been born out by Russia's actions. Putin was furious that his puppet was driven out of office. And until Ukraine drove them back they were at the edge of Kyiv. I guarantee if the Ukrainians had surrendered they would have been absorbed into Russia. But as I've said repeatedly to stop the war at this point means both sides making concessions. My way Ukraine keeps most of their country. Your way the weaker country is taken over by the bigger country. There was never any deal completed that would've given both sides what they wanted. And you left out "The talks of March 29th ended in the expectation that the draft agreement would be initialed by the principals, laying the foundation for a compromise peace." That's not quite what you said. And it was the seventh round of negotiations. Boris Johnson showed up about a week later. Washington and London offered help. Think Zelensky never asked for help before that? He was begging. The Ukrainians wanted to drive Russia out of Ukraine, not be conquered by them. If you really think all Putin wanted was just to take the area he seized already you're either naive or disingenuous. An appeaser. We all know what appeasing this kind of people leads to. [/QUOTE]

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