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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 6073536" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>You think you can run over people to get your way.&nbsp; You naively believed Putin would&#039;ve withdrawn three years ago with a peace deal.&nbsp; Seven rounds of negotiations and no deal.&nbsp; You saw Zelenskyy yesterday.&nbsp; He doesn&#039;t want to give up the Donbas.&nbsp; He wants more support to attempt to drive out the Russians.&nbsp; Not just about security guarantees.&nbsp; He said it wasn&#039;t just about territory.&nbsp; It was about people&#039;s homes.&nbsp; Where their parents and grandparents are buried.&nbsp; Doesn&#039;t mean anything to you but it does them.&nbsp; At this point Trump should pull our military support and force him to come to the table before he loses his whole country.&nbsp; If Putin was hot to make a peace deal then why hasn&#039;t he?&nbsp; Why not just pull his troops and say they&#039;ve done enough to insure Ukraine will never try again to join NATO.&nbsp; Nope, Putin wants the Donbas because of the ethnic Russians there.&nbsp; He wants the whole country but he&#039;ll settle for the Donbas.&nbsp; Which by the way also has large rare earth deposits as well as a lot of industry(at least before the war).</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 6073536, member: 24302"] You think you can run over people to get your way. You naively believed Putin would've withdrawn three years ago with a peace deal. Seven rounds of negotiations and no deal. You saw Zelenskyy yesterday. He doesn't want to give up the Donbas. He wants more support to attempt to drive out the Russians. Not just about security guarantees. He said it wasn't just about territory. It was about people's homes. Where their parents and grandparents are buried. Doesn't mean anything to you but it does them. At this point Trump should pull our military support and force him to come to the table before he loses his whole country. If Putin was hot to make a peace deal then why hasn't he? Why not just pull his troops and say they've done enough to insure Ukraine will never try again to join NATO. Nope, Putin wants the Donbas because of the ethnic Russians there. He wants the whole country but he'll settle for the Donbas. Which by the way also has large rare earth deposits as well as a lot of industry(at least before the war). [/QUOTE]

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