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Message: <blockquote data-quote="newfie" data-source="post: 6124074" data-attributes="member: 58700">see i just dont trust budget estimates most have been wrong or they are manipulated to make a specific argument. shine a turd as they will do depending on whether they are for the new plan or against it. show me what we are spending for each section and then what we plan to spend for each section. show me what the total spend will be this year and each year for the next 10 years. they cant do it because they dont have those numbers yet but they will still give us estimates as if they do have those numbers.</blockquote>