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<blockquote data-quote="Bagels" data-source="post: 1182296" data-attributes="member: 43436"><p>Unsurprisingly, you failed to comprehend my point, which is that people -- including yourself -- often cannot grasp situations that are foreign to them. Opportunity doesn't put food on the table; $$$ does. Most PTers today start at $8.50/hour, working 3-4 hours per day just several times per week -- and are looking at 10-15 years before they'll get an opportunity to go FT. By then, the wage progression will likely be 10+ years, rendering 25-30 years before they ever push top rate (which likely won't be much higher, if at all). Compare that to the current crop of FT UPSers, most of whom waited -- at most -- 6 years to go FT while working 5-6 hours per day at equivalent wages of $12-$15, then took 2 years to reach top pay.</p><p></p><p>De facto collusion among low-wage jobs -- places like McDonald's and Walmart have long been willing to leave jobs vacant & let lines accumulate rather than matching wages to market demand; their efforts finally paid off during the Great Recession -- has lead to falling wages among non-college graduates. <strong>Average wages for a FT employee over 25 with just a HS diploma have dropped from $34,300/year in 1995 to less than $25,000/year in 2012. </strong>We've resisted reforming education to give HS students the opportunity to learn apprenticeship skills, in lieu of "college prep" math skills most will never use. </p><p></p><p>- - -</p><p></p><p>BTW, I will add that since I graduated HS and moved out onto my own, I struggled with pudginess despite limiting myself to a 2,000 calorie per day diet & exercising regularly. Several years ago I began gradually gaining weight, so I cut my calorie intake to 1,600 per day. I lost much of the pudginess but felt miserable & jiggly instead of lean. I decided to spend more money on food and went with more "healthy" (e.g. more produce, less processed foods) options -- for example, steel cut oatmeal & a cup of fruit for breakfast in lieu of instant oatmeal, an apple in lieu of cheese-and-crackers in my lunch, etc. My calorie intake slightly <u>increased</u>, I became more lean than I had been since HS, and I had more energy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bagels, post: 1182296, member: 43436"] Unsurprisingly, you failed to comprehend my point, which is that people -- including yourself -- often cannot grasp situations that are foreign to them. Opportunity doesn't put food on the table; $$$ does. Most PTers today start at $8.50/hour, working 3-4 hours per day just several times per week -- and are looking at 10-15 years before they'll get an opportunity to go FT. By then, the wage progression will likely be 10+ years, rendering 25-30 years before they ever push top rate (which likely won't be much higher, if at all). Compare that to the current crop of FT UPSers, most of whom waited -- at most -- 6 years to go FT while working 5-6 hours per day at equivalent wages of $12-$15, then took 2 years to reach top pay. De facto collusion among low-wage jobs -- places like McDonald's and Walmart have long been willing to leave jobs vacant & let lines accumulate rather than matching wages to market demand; their efforts finally paid off during the Great Recession -- has lead to falling wages among non-college graduates. [B]Average wages for a FT employee over 25 with just a HS diploma have dropped from $34,300/year in 1995 to less than $25,000/year in 2012. [/B]We've resisted reforming education to give HS students the opportunity to learn apprenticeship skills, in lieu of "college prep" math skills most will never use. - - - BTW, I will add that since I graduated HS and moved out onto my own, I struggled with pudginess despite limiting myself to a 2,000 calorie per day diet & exercising regularly. Several years ago I began gradually gaining weight, so I cut my calorie intake to 1,600 per day. I lost much of the pudginess but felt miserable & jiggly instead of lean. I decided to spend more money on food and went with more "healthy" (e.g. more produce, less processed foods) options -- for example, steel cut oatmeal & a cup of fruit for breakfast in lieu of instant oatmeal, an apple in lieu of cheese-and-crackers in my lunch, etc. My calorie intake slightly [U]increased[/U], I became more lean than I had been since HS, and I had more energy. [/QUOTE]
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