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<blockquote data-quote="Rainman" data-source="post: 1478382" data-attributes="member: 22207"><p>If you can't see what I'm saying, maybe it's because you don't want to. I think for myself, and some things are obvious. </p><p>As far as the Israelis, they are already hated by countries on all sides who have made it clear that they won't rest until Israel is gone. They do what's necessary to protect themselves, and so far they have been pretty successful. </p><p>As I said before, I'm no proponent for torture. But you do what's necessary to protect your people, or you are no longer a nation, just part of someone else's control.</p><p>And if you can't tell that dems and pubs are practically the same,sparing a few minor differences, then I give up trying to convince you.</p><p>And yes, the media is quite liberal if you look at it objectively. </p><p>But if you have already made up your mind then there is no purpose in discussing this any further.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rainman, post: 1478382, member: 22207"] If you can't see what I'm saying, maybe it's because you don't want to. I think for myself, and some things are obvious. As far as the Israelis, they are already hated by countries on all sides who have made it clear that they won't rest until Israel is gone. They do what's necessary to protect themselves, and so far they have been pretty successful. As I said before, I'm no proponent for torture. But you do what's necessary to protect your people, or you are no longer a nation, just part of someone else's control. And if you can't tell that dems and pubs are practically the same,sparing a few minor differences, then I give up trying to convince you. And yes, the media is quite liberal if you look at it objectively. But if you have already made up your mind then there is no purpose in discussing this any further. [/QUOTE]
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