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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1720540" data-attributes="member: 17969">Again you repeat the same diatribe of Donald Trump and rather than learn a lesson from whats happening to Trump, you repeat "I guess someone like you has to have a family member lose a job to one or be raped/murdered"  and then catagorized yourself as an idiot, like Trump, then understand how immigration works.I didnt miss YOUR point at all.  Securing the borders means exactly what to a person like YOU?  We have three borders to deal with, but as I pointed out to you pretty clearly, 93% of the immigrants who are coming to this country are not coming on our southwest border.Even if you put marines on all three borders in the USA, you would only affect 23% of the total problem while 77% of the problem will still exist and overwhelm the USA.How would you propose to catch the 77% of immigrants who overstay the visas??  Shall we organize the Gestapo to search homes?  Should they go house to house asking for peoples "papers" ??There are millions of people coming to this country LEGALLY and then becoming illegal.  You cannot stop that unless you change the whole VISA system itself....  The USA will not change the visa system because tourism dollars is KING.  If they USA was to limit or make it harder to obtain tourist, student or guest worker visas, the USA would lose millions of dollars in revenue.If you were SERIOUS about immigration, and not just another blowhard without a clue (Like TRUMP), the first thing to change would be to ELIMINATE GUEST WORKERS from this country, and make those employers who hire these people, hire americans and pay them a decent wage with benefits.That would mean YOU would have to go against your own political party and vote against them.  They continue to pass bills in the house and send them to the senate to INCREASE the number of guest workers in this country.   As I pointed out to you, 17% of our immigrants who come here legally as guest workers overstay the visas and become ILLEGAL.This is done by legislation, and that legislation is created and maintained by your REPUBLICAN PARTY.  If an american loses his job to an immigrant, its not the immigrants fault, its the fault of YOUR political party and the employer who benefits from that legislation.The next thing to fix would be the student visa program.  Schools should be FORCED to report to immigration authorities the progress and status of all students. Students come to the USA, try a couple of semesters, then bail out and simply vanish into country.  The schools dont report the missing students to immigration nor do they check the status of the student visa itself.  They just TAKE THE MONEY.Thousands of muslims are entering the country this way.  They seem to be the only ones who can afford the best schools in the country and they rarely complete the process and go home.  If the USA just made changes to the guest worker and student visa programs, you could stem the tide of immigrants by 36%.Of course, the only thing that motivates a person like you is to hear about walls and security.  In other words "yay murrica"...Somehow, violence is going to fix the problem to people like you.You are incorrect about illegals being returned to their country.  President Obama has deported more people back to their homes countries than BUSH did in 8 years already.  But that cost money, big money to send people all around the world.  Most "yay murrica" types think everyone can be sent to mexico for some odd reason...?You complain about "Too liberal with who we let stay once caught. And too liberal with how much money we waste on them on social programs."  (YOU)You are too funny here.   Too liberal??  Did you miss that BUSH and your republicans in congress and senate voted to provide protection, housing, education, healthcare and placement for immigrants who come from central america????How is that a liberal idea?Under BUSH, 96,000 immigrants from central america processed through these programs and recieved all the benefits you claim to hate while democrats tried to stop them.  But of course, people like you listen to the dog whistles of the right wing that tell you that its the democrats who want these people hear so they can become voters.That works for people like you and I understand that.  It also explains why you dont understand the complexities of immigration in this country.If you truly want to stem the tide of immigration, you would start by abandoning your political parties ideas and fight for change to their methodology.TOS.</blockquote>

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