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<blockquote data-quote="HBGPreloader" data-source="post: 1723657" data-attributes="member: 19782"><p>I am, absolutely, another wall supporter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't care much for the "figures" talking heads spew. So, I would rather refer to more reliable sources, such as Pew Research, which notes...</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Mexicans make up about half of all unauthorized immigrants (52%)"</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Regardless of where they came from, the fact is 60% of these criminals entered the country illegally. The other 40% of immigrants became criminals when they overstayed their welcome.</p><p></p><p>So, of the ~12 million invaders already here, more than 7 million broke at least one law when they illegally entered this country.</p><p></p><p>Based upon these statistics alone, a good place to start securing our borders would be the one we share with Mexico. And, when that one is complete, we can work on securing the Canadian border.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Straw man argument. But, a great analogy because when you have cancer, like I had, you sometimes need to take extreme measures to rid it from your body.</p><p></p><p>The first step is to stop the cancer at its source. Then you go through additional treatments to rid your entire body of it and to keep it from reoccurring.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, exactly what are the complex issues that you claim need a congressional debate and reform? I ask because, from what I see, it's not that complex and the laws would work fine - if they were just enforced.</p><p></p><p>To sum it up in a way that even a gruber voter could understand, there are a very few reasons why the USA "needs" immigration...</p><p>1) To attract the best an brightest from around the world to benefit America,</p><p>2) To harvest the crops that would otherwise lie and waste in the fields due to the lack of "migrant workers", and</p><p>3) To offer relief and sanctuary to political refugees.</p><p></p><p>In fact, the law is quite clear. And, if you did a bit of research, you would learn that, as the laws stand right now, there are an unlimited number of H-2A agricultural visas to harvest our crops for nearly anyone that wants them. And, the restrictions on this type of visa are nearly non-existent.</p><p></p><p>A guest worker, if he (or she) so chooses, can legally stay in the country for up to 3 years. He can bring his family and even lawfully benefit from all the services the Taxpayers provide - including birthright citizenship to any child born while in the US. Essentially, the only caveats are he can not be a criminal and if he becomes unemployed, he must return to his home country.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wrong.</p><p>You may want to reread what I typed because I didn't say anything about liking or disliking the anchor babies or illegals. I just pointed out the fact that these 4 million anchor babies are a significant financial and resource drain on our education system.</p><p>And, just an FYI, they are children of criminal invaders - not legal guest workers, which I addressed above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it obama, a democrat, the one that issued executive orders to prevent deportation of these criminals? And, isn't it his justice department that is currently fighting to prevent the enforcement of the current laws?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The one good thing about owning an operating your own business is you get to meet and work with a lot of great and interesting people. And, it just so happens I worked with several businesses that employ quite a few guest workers.</p><p></p><p>Some of these businesses actually go though the effort to hire guest workers that come to this great country every year. And, while the paperwork can be somewhat intimidating to the inexperienced, the process is not that complex.</p><p></p><p>And, sure, some of these migrant workers would like to stay, become US Citizens and start a family. However, by far, the majority of them want to do their jobs, earn their pay and return to their home country - to live like kings.</p><p></p><p>The one thing you should have learned by now, reforming the current laws will accomplish nothing if our borders are not secure. In addition, the current and/or future laws aren't worth the paper they're printed upon when the president issues executive orders banning enforcement or they are not enforced at all.</p><p></p><p>No doubt, there some illegals who are actually coming to the US to seek refuge from tyrants. However, the vast majority are just here to exploit our generosity. And, thanks to the current occupant of the white house, once they pop out an anchor baby, they're, essentially, set for at least 18 years - at the significant expense and burden of those of us who pay taxes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HBGPreloader, post: 1723657, member: 19782"] I am, absolutely, another wall supporter. I don't care much for the "figures" talking heads spew. So, I would rather refer to more reliable sources, such as Pew Research, which notes... "[B]Mexicans make up about half of all unauthorized immigrants (52%)" [/B] Regardless of where they came from, the fact is 60% of these criminals entered the country illegally. The other 40% of immigrants became criminals when they overstayed their welcome. So, of the ~12 million invaders already here, more than 7 million broke at least one law when they illegally entered this country. Based upon these statistics alone, a good place to start securing our borders would be the one we share with Mexico. And, when that one is complete, we can work on securing the Canadian border. Straw man argument. But, a great analogy because when you have cancer, like I had, you sometimes need to take extreme measures to rid it from your body. The first step is to stop the cancer at its source. Then you go through additional treatments to rid your entire body of it and to keep it from reoccurring. So, exactly what are the complex issues that you claim need a congressional debate and reform? I ask because, from what I see, it's not that complex and the laws would work fine - if they were just enforced. To sum it up in a way that even a gruber voter could understand, there are a very few reasons why the USA "needs" immigration... 1) To attract the best an brightest from around the world to benefit America, 2) To harvest the crops that would otherwise lie and waste in the fields due to the lack of "migrant workers", and 3) To offer relief and sanctuary to political refugees. In fact, the law is quite clear. And, if you did a bit of research, you would learn that, as the laws stand right now, there are an unlimited number of H-2A agricultural visas to harvest our crops for nearly anyone that wants them. And, the restrictions on this type of visa are nearly non-existent. A guest worker, if he (or she) so chooses, can legally stay in the country for up to 3 years. He can bring his family and even lawfully benefit from all the services the Taxpayers provide - including birthright citizenship to any child born while in the US. Essentially, the only caveats are he can not be a criminal and if he becomes unemployed, he must return to his home country. Wrong. You may want to reread what I typed because I didn't say anything about liking or disliking the anchor babies or illegals. I just pointed out the fact that these 4 million anchor babies are a significant financial and resource drain on our education system. And, just an FYI, they are children of criminal invaders - not legal guest workers, which I addressed above. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it obama, a democrat, the one that issued executive orders to prevent deportation of these criminals? And, isn't it his justice department that is currently fighting to prevent the enforcement of the current laws? The one good thing about owning an operating your own business is you get to meet and work with a lot of great and interesting people. And, it just so happens I worked with several businesses that employ quite a few guest workers. Some of these businesses actually go though the effort to hire guest workers that come to this great country every year. And, while the paperwork can be somewhat intimidating to the inexperienced, the process is not that complex. And, sure, some of these migrant workers would like to stay, become US Citizens and start a family. However, by far, the majority of them want to do their jobs, earn their pay and return to their home country - to live like kings. The one thing you should have learned by now, reforming the current laws will accomplish nothing if our borders are not secure. In addition, the current and/or future laws aren't worth the paper they're printed upon when the president issues executive orders banning enforcement or they are not enforced at all. No doubt, there some illegals who are actually coming to the US to seek refuge from tyrants. However, the vast majority are just here to exploit our generosity. And, thanks to the current occupant of the white house, once they pop out an anchor baby, they're, essentially, set for at least 18 years - at the significant expense and burden of those of us who pay taxes. [/QUOTE]
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