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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1804654" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>1) First, i didnt equate BUSH and Trump from a business standpoint. The entire world knows BUSH is and was an idiot. What I compared, was the reactionary response from TRUMP supporters to his bankruptcies as THEY did BUSH. The GOP voters chose to IGNORE the fact that BUSH ran EVERY single business he controlled into the ground and protected himself by filing for bankruptcies for those companies. The TEXAS RANGERS being the last one before he became Governor of Texas.</p><p></p><p>Like BUSH, Trump has never personally filed for bankruptcy, just his businesses. Again, other companies had to EAT the billions of dollars Donald Trump SHOULD have lost until he was flat broke. But, because of high price lawyers, he was able to protect his money and transfer the loss to everyone else, including his WORKERS.</p><p></p><p>When Trump needed to break a union contract because he wanted to REDUCE wages, he simply filed for bankruptcy. The American worker ATE those losses.</p><p></p><p>Thats how much Trump cares about the American worker.</p><p></p><p>2) As for losses paid by the American Taxpayers, again, you are wrong. Starting with Reagan, who in conjunction with economist Art Laffer coined the phrase "deficits dont matter" and with three republican presidents ALONE, the national deficit exceeded 16 trillion dollars.</p><p></p><p>Reagan: 3.7 trillion- first time in american history a sitting president presided over debt exceeding 1 trillion dollars.</p><p>Bush H: 4.5 trillion- added 1.554 trillion to Reagans debt</p><p>Clinton: 1.3 trillion- added 1.3 trillion to Bush H debt</p><p>BUSH W: 5.9 trillion dollars added to Bill Clintons debt</p><p>(note: another 4.1 trillion dollars to be added to the debt under the obama term by kicking the can down the road- bush tax cuts, prescription drug bill)</p><p></p><p>Obama: inherits 11 trillion dollars in debt along with a 4.1 trillion spread over 10 years by the bush adminstration. Obamas presidency has added 2.3 trillion of his OWN debt for a total of 6.1 trillion dollars.</p><p></p><p>So, the American taxpayers have paid for the fiscal mistakes of presidents going back to REAGAN, and NOT the last two presidents as you claimed.</p><p></p><p>3) When you say "we need to make america more competitive", how exactly does trump plan to do this? Please share with us, this great plan as to how he is going to make america more competitive. Will he cut taxes for corporations who are paying zero taxes in foreign countries? Will he force american workers to accept lower wages that are comparative to wages in Vietnam, Korea, China, Burma and India?</p><p></p><p>Will that make america more competitive?? NO way, regardless of how much TRUMP thinks he can cut taxes on the rich, they will NEVER return to the USA and have to pay the higher wages and benefits of an american worker compared to chinese kid making a dollar a day to make nike shoes. You could make corporate taxes ZERO and that wouldnt be enough to make them comeback.</p><p></p><p>As for tariffs, President Obama proposed Tariffs and the republicans cried, bitched and moaned about it.</p><p></p><p>How is Trump going to pull that off when the republicans dont want tariffs?</p><p></p><p>4) As for guest workers, TRUMP importing even ONE (1) guest worker is one too many. Maybe if TRUMP was willing to pay a living wage, instead of running wages into the range where americans wont take them, he wouldnt need guest workers. But like we see by the millions, companies continue to lower wages in order to DRIVE out american workers and then apply for guest workers permits. Its the republican scam to create and pass guest workers bills that end up increasing the amount of illegal aliens running loose in this country. </p><p></p><p>The republicans have contributed to the immigration problem with guest workers who cannot be located once they get inside the country. By allowing businesses to drive down wages to a point where americans wont take them is the most unpatriotic thing the corporate world can do.</p><p></p><p>Trump is NOT going to reverse this process. He is a part of the problem and not solution.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1804654, member: 17969"] 1) First, i didnt equate BUSH and Trump from a business standpoint. The entire world knows BUSH is and was an idiot. What I compared, was the reactionary response from TRUMP supporters to his bankruptcies as THEY did BUSH. The GOP voters chose to IGNORE the fact that BUSH ran EVERY single business he controlled into the ground and protected himself by filing for bankruptcies for those companies. The TEXAS RANGERS being the last one before he became Governor of Texas. Like BUSH, Trump has never personally filed for bankruptcy, just his businesses. Again, other companies had to EAT the billions of dollars Donald Trump SHOULD have lost until he was flat broke. But, because of high price lawyers, he was able to protect his money and transfer the loss to everyone else, including his WORKERS. When Trump needed to break a union contract because he wanted to REDUCE wages, he simply filed for bankruptcy. The American worker ATE those losses. Thats how much Trump cares about the American worker. 2) As for losses paid by the American Taxpayers, again, you are wrong. Starting with Reagan, who in conjunction with economist Art Laffer coined the phrase "deficits dont matter" and with three republican presidents ALONE, the national deficit exceeded 16 trillion dollars. Reagan: 3.7 trillion- first time in american history a sitting president presided over debt exceeding 1 trillion dollars. Bush H: 4.5 trillion- added 1.554 trillion to Reagans debt Clinton: 1.3 trillion- added 1.3 trillion to Bush H debt BUSH W: 5.9 trillion dollars added to Bill Clintons debt (note: another 4.1 trillion dollars to be added to the debt under the obama term by kicking the can down the road- bush tax cuts, prescription drug bill) Obama: inherits 11 trillion dollars in debt along with a 4.1 trillion spread over 10 years by the bush adminstration. Obamas presidency has added 2.3 trillion of his OWN debt for a total of 6.1 trillion dollars. So, the American taxpayers have paid for the fiscal mistakes of presidents going back to REAGAN, and NOT the last two presidents as you claimed. 3) When you say "we need to make america more competitive", how exactly does trump plan to do this? Please share with us, this great plan as to how he is going to make america more competitive. Will he cut taxes for corporations who are paying zero taxes in foreign countries? Will he force american workers to accept lower wages that are comparative to wages in Vietnam, Korea, China, Burma and India? Will that make america more competitive?? NO way, regardless of how much TRUMP thinks he can cut taxes on the rich, they will NEVER return to the USA and have to pay the higher wages and benefits of an american worker compared to chinese kid making a dollar a day to make nike shoes. You could make corporate taxes ZERO and that wouldnt be enough to make them comeback. As for tariffs, President Obama proposed Tariffs and the republicans cried, bitched and moaned about it. How is Trump going to pull that off when the republicans dont want tariffs? 4) As for guest workers, TRUMP importing even ONE (1) guest worker is one too many. Maybe if TRUMP was willing to pay a living wage, instead of running wages into the range where americans wont take them, he wouldnt need guest workers. But like we see by the millions, companies continue to lower wages in order to DRIVE out american workers and then apply for guest workers permits. Its the republican scam to create and pass guest workers bills that end up increasing the amount of illegal aliens running loose in this country. The republicans have contributed to the immigration problem with guest workers who cannot be located once they get inside the country. By allowing businesses to drive down wages to a point where americans wont take them is the most unpatriotic thing the corporate world can do. Trump is NOT going to reverse this process. He is a part of the problem and not solution. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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