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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 834006" data-attributes="member: 17969">Psst Trip,&nbsp;I hate to spoil your parade, but it was UPSGRUNT who said &quot;We&quot; (that means us all collectively) need GOD to help save america. That would be interpreted as &quot;We&quot; (those of us who participate on this board and all americans) would have to chose to be christians and worship &quot;his&quot; god in order to bring security and peace (or the totality of correctness) to the United States of America.&nbsp;This is exactly &quot;shoving&quot; his religion down our throats. &nbsp;While I in no way believe that GRUNT was saying anything negative, and I respect his positions, I will confim that he was not mocking anyone. On the other hand, his referencing GOD as the only saving grace of this country implies there is no other way to solve our problems as a nation, and that itself can be insulting to non believers or believers of a different faith.&nbsp;The introduction of religion into a political debate is exactly what the founding fathers DID NOT WANT as I demonstrated.&nbsp;This dialog only confuses the issues at hand.&nbsp;I believe GRUNT is a stong person of faith, and thats to be respected, but when he mentions the founding fathers intentions in the process, well then a correction needed to be made.&nbsp;Religion in this country, especially on the right, has done nothing but create the kind of atmosphere the founding fathers were trying to escape when they all left europe.&nbsp;The evangelical right has taken control of the party and forces its beliefs down the throats of its followers and they condemn the left for being, exactly like the founding fathers.&nbsp;Thats what makes the tea party such hypocrites.&nbsp; The democrats are closer to the founding fathers than any republican could ever hope to be.&nbsp;The right would comdemn any democrat who goes to church but supports a womens right to choose, but it would embrace people like Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich and other prominent republicans with a string of ex wives.&nbsp;Family Values....&nbsp; what a crock.&nbsp;Peace.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 834006, member: 17969"] Psst Trip, I hate to spoil your parade, but it was UPSGRUNT who said "We" (that means us all collectively) need GOD to help save america. That would be interpreted as "We" (those of us who participate on this board and all americans) would have to chose to be christians and worship "his" god in order to bring security and peace (or the totality of correctness) to the United States of America. This is exactly "shoving" his religion down our throats. While I in no way believe that GRUNT was saying anything negative, and I respect his positions, I will confim that he was not mocking anyone. On the other hand, his referencing GOD as the only saving grace of this country implies there is no other way to solve our problems as a nation, and that itself can be insulting to non believers or believers of a different faith. The introduction of religion into a political debate is exactly what the founding fathers DID NOT WANT as I demonstrated. This dialog only confuses the issues at hand. I believe GRUNT is a stong person of faith, and thats to be respected, but when he mentions the founding fathers intentions in the process, well then a correction needed to be made. Religion in this country, especially on the right, has done nothing but create the kind of atmosphere the founding fathers were trying to escape when they all left europe. The evangelical right has taken control of the party and forces its beliefs down the throats of its followers and they condemn the left for being, exactly like the founding fathers. Thats what makes the tea party such hypocrites. The democrats are closer to the founding fathers than any republican could ever hope to be. The right would comdemn any democrat who goes to church but supports a womens right to choose, but it would embrace people like Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich and other prominent republicans with a string of ex wives. Family Values.... what a crock. Peace. [/QUOTE]

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