Trump incited the violence by lying about fraud.

Tom MacDonald

Max E. Pads
Yes because the rioters identified with trump, they came because of trump, they were angry on behalf of trump saying the election was stolen from him, and he told them all legal remedies to stop the steal had failed, and then he told them to go to the capital building where the steal was being certified at that moment.
So you do just copy and paste that nonsense
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
And trump did incite violence. The rioters identified with trump, they came because of trump, were angry on behalf of trump getting the election stolen from him, and they were told by trump all other legal options to stop the steal had failed and then trump told them to go up to the capital building while the certification of Biden’s fraudulent win was being done.
Those are not facts. Those are politicized opinions.

It’s the equivalent of finding someone guilty of murder with no evidence at all but you don’t like them so they must have done it.
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
So you do just copy and paste that nonsense
Well because that’s the crux of this thread right. You supplied a Pelosi quote that supposedly was proof that she didn’t accept trump’s win as legit. Instead the quote is of Pelosi saying our election was hijacked and congress must protect it, had nothing to do with the legitimacy of trump’s presidency.
 

Tom MacDonald

Max E. Pads
Well because that’s the crux of this thread right. You supplied a Pelosi quote that supposedly was proof that she didn’t accept trump’s win as legit. Instead the quote is of Pelosi saying our election was hijacked and congress must protect it, had nothing to do with the legitimacy of trump’s presidency.
So the presidency being hijacked has nothing to do with the presidency
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Since the President never called for violence, any criminal actions squarely sit on the shoulder of those that committed it.

I'm pretty confident the attack will be proven to have been pre-planned. the capital was under attack and the leadership calling for help before trump was even done speaking . it takes about 30 minutes to walk from where trump was speaking to the capital building. The initial attackers heard little if any of trumps speech.
 

Wally

BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
This really isn’t even a question. Impeachment and removal from office should be a very high bar based on facts. No reasonable person can possibly come to the conclusion that “peacefully and patriotically” is a call for violence.
You said "reasonable". Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are acting like a 13 year old girl having a hissy. All emotion, zero logic.
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
Those are not facts. Those are politicized opinions.

It’s the equivalent of finding someone guilty of murder with no evidence at all but you don’t like them so they must have done it.
Lol ok yeah this is a court of law. All that lay’s out is why trump incited a riot with the facts of what happened. The rioters did identify with trump, they did come because of trump, they were angry based on believing trump’s voter fraud lies, trump did say all legal options to stop the steal had failed, he did tell them to go to the capital. That’s reality.
 
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refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
So the presidency being hijacked has nothing to do with the presidency
So the speaker of the house acknowledging what the fbi, DOJ, and congressional reports all concluded that Russia had hacked our election and that congress must protect our elections can’t be said without it being an attack on the legitimacy of trump’s presidency in your mind?
 

Tom MacDonald

Max E. Pads
So the speaker of the house acknowledging what the fbi, DOJ, and congressional reports all concluded that Russia had hacked our election and that congress must protect our elections can’t be said without it being an attack on the legitimacy of trump’s presidency in your mind?
No it can't. Just like when i claim that china stole it... I'm making an attack on the legitimacy of bidens presidency.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Lol ok yeah this is a court of law. All that lay’s out is why trump incited a riot with the facts of what happened. The rioters did identify with trump, they did come because of trump, they were angry based on believing trump’s voter fraud lies, trump did say all legal options to stop the steal had failed, he did tell them to go to the capital. That’s reality.
Yes impeachment is supposed to be the same standards as the court.

Let’s even go with the extreme stretches you’re choosing to go with. You’re leaving out the very important fact that out of his own mouth he told them to be peaceful.
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
Yes impeachment is supposed to be the same standards as the court.

Let’s even go with the extreme stretches you’re choosing to go with. You’re leaving out the very important fact that out of his own mouth he told them to be peaceful.
If you read or listen that rambling mess of a speech, he is telling them to do something cause all other remedies have failed. He is lying to them about election fraud making them angry, he is telling them to fight, to fight to fight, to never concede, never stop, he is calling republicans weak for letting the democrats get away with stealing the election, and he is telling them if pence doesn’t do the right thing it’s over with and pence said he didn’t have the power to do what trump wanted and in congress he didn’t do what trump wanted. And that’s why some of them started yelling kill Pence because trump primed them to hate Pence in that moment. And he told them to go to the capital building which is what they did and then some of them rioted. Some of them had a plan to capture and kill congressional leadership.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
If you read or listen that rambling mess of a speech, he is telling them to do something cause all other remedies have failed. He is lying to them about election fraud making them angry, he is telling them to fight, to fight to fight, to never concede, never stop, he is calling republicans weak for letting the democrats get away with stealing the election, and he is telling them if pence doesn’t do the right thing it’s over with and pence said he didn’t have the power to do what trump wanted and in congress he didn’t do what trump wanted. And that’s why some of them started yelling kill Pence trump primed them to hate Pence in that moment. And he told them to go to the capital building which is what they did and then some of them rioted. Some of them had a plan to capture and kill congressional leadership.
Holy complete lack of self awareness Batman!
 

Sportello

Well-Known Member
Yes impeachment is supposed to be the same standards as the court.

Let’s even go with the extreme stretches you’re choosing to go with. You’re leaving out the very important fact that out of his own mouth he told them to be peaceful.
Wrong.

 
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