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TSG WAKE UP! UPS rules with fear and intimidation
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<blockquote data-quote="AnonymouslySubmitted" data-source="post: 282517"><p>I have to jump in on this one. I think with driver and other "non skilled" (I know there is</p><p>skill involved, but hear me out for a second) jobs, then UPS is a great place to be.</p><p>The original poster is correct in stating most people work there way up from part time</p><p>and get a degree and then stay at UPS and get rolled right into management positions.</p><p>This breeds a certain type of culture, which is very stagnant and suspicious about</p><p>the "outside" and consider degrees or the guy who got a certification 'a threat.'</p><p></p><p>The statement made about not being recognized for certifications proves my point.</p><p>UPS does not care about industry standard methodologies at all. If you are in an IT</p><p>position, just to and interview at another job and see how much you don't know.</p><p>You may be very good or even great at your job with UPS, but at another company you</p><p>would be an idiot, because that eXcel spreadsheet you call a project plan wouldn't cut</p><p>it and those made up processes would not fly with other industries actually embracing</p><p>and training their people for industry standard methodologies like ITIL, Six Sigma, LEAN,</p><p>etc. I work in a department which actually participates in a local IT community meeting</p><p>(I'm going to leave out names and actualities obviously for safety reasons) and all the</p><p>other people we meet during these conferences have been sent to training classes, had</p><p>certifications paid for, etc. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we cannot even use the</p><p>methodologies names to avoid political 'fallout.' </p><p></p><p>Now, you're thinking, OK, if it's so great at these other companies, then go work there.</p><p>Well, here comes the damnation: Most of these people with 10 times the qualifications</p><p>I have, make 10 grand less! THAT is why so many people with "skilled" jobs at UPS are</p><p>miserable, because they are trapped and each day making a decision to sell their soul,</p><p>basically. Meanwhile, the other half who don't bother to get certified or continue their</p><p>education or participate in any industry user groups / forums go right along happily</p><p>and probably even get promoted, further agitating the person who got a certification</p><p>or went back to school. </p><p></p><p>It can be maddening, trust me. I always liken the UPS experience to that movie </p><p>with Tom Cruise, The Firm. You literally have to be willing to pack up and haul out</p><p>and take a pay cut to try and find a rewarding job to build your skill set. I just had a good</p><p>friend actually do this. He went back to school, finished up a masters degree and guess</p><p>what UPS did? Nothing, and even moved him to a spot he didn't want as if to say, so</p><p>you thought you'd move up, we'll show you. He went to another company in town, took</p><p>a 10K pay cut to do it, but guess what? Within the first six months they had paid for</p><p>him to become certified in multiple industry products, actually</p><p>sponsored him to host a local user forum when he asked to do it, etc. Now, here he is,</p><p>like I said before, with MORE skills and MORE industry exposure, making 10K less.</p><p></p><p>IMHO, this is why you have so many people who have "been quitting" UPS for 20 years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AnonymouslySubmitted, post: 282517"] I have to jump in on this one. I think with driver and other "non skilled" (I know there is skill involved, but hear me out for a second) jobs, then UPS is a great place to be. The original poster is correct in stating most people work there way up from part time and get a degree and then stay at UPS and get rolled right into management positions. This breeds a certain type of culture, which is very stagnant and suspicious about the "outside" and consider degrees or the guy who got a certification 'a threat.' The statement made about not being recognized for certifications proves my point. UPS does not care about industry standard methodologies at all. If you are in an IT position, just to and interview at another job and see how much you don't know. You may be very good or even great at your job with UPS, but at another company you would be an idiot, because that eXcel spreadsheet you call a project plan wouldn't cut it and those made up processes would not fly with other industries actually embracing and training their people for industry standard methodologies like ITIL, Six Sigma, LEAN, etc. I work in a department which actually participates in a local IT community meeting (I'm going to leave out names and actualities obviously for safety reasons) and all the other people we meet during these conferences have been sent to training classes, had certifications paid for, etc. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we cannot even use the methodologies names to avoid political 'fallout.' Now, you're thinking, OK, if it's so great at these other companies, then go work there. Well, here comes the damnation: Most of these people with 10 times the qualifications I have, make 10 grand less! THAT is why so many people with "skilled" jobs at UPS are miserable, because they are trapped and each day making a decision to sell their soul, basically. Meanwhile, the other half who don't bother to get certified or continue their education or participate in any industry user groups / forums go right along happily and probably even get promoted, further agitating the person who got a certification or went back to school. It can be maddening, trust me. I always liken the UPS experience to that movie with Tom Cruise, The Firm. You literally have to be willing to pack up and haul out and take a pay cut to try and find a rewarding job to build your skill set. I just had a good friend actually do this. He went back to school, finished up a masters degree and guess what UPS did? Nothing, and even moved him to a spot he didn't want as if to say, so you thought you'd move up, we'll show you. He went to another company in town, took a 10K pay cut to do it, but guess what? Within the first six months they had paid for him to become certified in multiple industry products, actually sponsored him to host a local user forum when he asked to do it, etc. Now, here he is, like I said before, with MORE skills and MORE industry exposure, making 10K less. IMHO, this is why you have so many people who have "been quitting" UPS for 20 years. [/QUOTE]
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