UK dress code Q - Ironing shirts

[Mchooky]

Hi. My sup decided to kick off about our shirts being ironed yesterday, so I'm interested in people's views.

I'm pretty sure my contract says my shirt should be ironed (can anyone confirm?). In the early days I used to iron my shirt but after realising it didn't look different to non ironed I stopped. 5 years ago. (The lack of difference is mainly due to my fabulous laundry skills. Don't overload the washing machine, unload as soon as the cycle finishes and put on hangers to dry).

No one has mentioned my shirts in five years.

There is various UK case law about dress codes, reasonableness and prior enforceability which I think supports me not having to buy a new iron. I think to win a case UPS would have to prove materiality where they would be on a hiding tp nothing. I think in the UK we have stronger employee protection than in the US.

Otherwise I adhere to the dress code. I look smart... though I might not wear the brown socks all the time.

The thing that really annoyed me is the sup started having a go at people at the end of the day. 10 hours and 100 stops and I still look smart but the sup is expecting razor sharp creases.

The upshot is, I'm not going to iron my shirts. How likely do you think it is that they will try to sack me?

 

[Turdferguson]

Hi. My sup decided to kick off about our shirts being ironed yesterday, so I'm interested in people's views.

I'm pretty sure my contract says my shirt should be ironed (can anyone confirm?). In the early days I used to iron my shirt but after realising it didn't look different to non ironed I stopped. 5 years ago. (The lack of difference is mainly due to my fabulous laundry skills. Don't overload the washing machine, unload as soon as the cycle finishes and put on hangers to dry).

No one has mentioned my shirts in five years.

There is various UK case law about dress codes, reasonableness and prior enforceability which I think supports me not having to buy a new iron. I think to win a case UPS would have to prove materiality where they would be on a hiding tp nothing. I think in the UK we have stronger employee protection than in the US.

Otherwise I adhere to the dress code. I look smart... though I might not wear the brown socks all the time.

The thing that really annoyed me is the sup started having a go at people at the end of the day. 10 hours and 100 stops and I still look smart but the sup is expecting razor sharp creases.

The upshot is, I'm not going to iron my shirts. How likely do you think it is that they will try to sack me?

Here in America UPS it's called "The flavor of the month". Our supervisors take a conference call and one of their bosses picks some stupid BS thing that they must get on their people about . Could be shoes one month, could be back 1st exception the next. It passes what the actually care about. You can do what they want so they leave you alone, or ignore them and pick a fight with them over it. It's a personal choice as to what you feel comfortable doing

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Here in America UPS it's called "The flavor of the month". Our supervisors take a conference call and one of their bosses picks some stupid BS thing that they must get on their people about . Could be shoes one month, could be back 1st exception the next. It passes what the actually care about. You can do what they want so they leave you alone, or ignore them and pick a fight with them over it. It's a personal choice as to what you feel comfortable doing

What's got you up this early Turd?

 

[Turdferguson]

What's got you up this early Turd?

Went to sleep early. Have to wait for my cocaine warehouse and illegal arms bunker to fill on GTA5 , so thought I would fill time on here being helpful

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

Went to sleep early. Have to wait for my cocaine warehouse and illegal arms bunker to fill on GTA5 , so thought I would fill time on here being helpful

Did you say COCAINE?

 

[MyTripisCut]

Hi. My sup decided to kick off about our shirts being ironed yesterday, so I'm interested in people's views.

I'm pretty sure my contract says my shirt should be ironed (can anyone confirm?). In the early days I used to iron my shirt but after realising it didn't look different to non ironed I stopped. 5 years ago. (The lack of difference is mainly due to my fabulous laundry skills. Don't overload the washing machine, unload as soon as the cycle finishes and put on hangers to dry).

No one has mentioned my shirts in five years.

There is various UK case law about dress codes, reasonableness and prior enforceability which I think supports me not having to buy a new iron. I think to win a case UPS would have to prove materiality where they would be on a hiding tp nothing. I think in the UK we have stronger employee protection than in the US.

Otherwise I adhere to the dress code. I look smart... though I might not wear the brown socks all the time.

The thing that really annoyed me is the sup started having a go at people at the end of the day. 10 hours and 100 stops and I still look smart but the sup is expecting razor sharp creases.

The upshot is, I'm not going to iron my shirts. How likely do you think it is that they will try to sack me?

I heard in the UK, you guys have two drivers per car, and make $55 an hour. Any of this true?

 

[Rick Ross]

I heard in the UK, you guys have two drivers per car, and make $55 an hour. Any of this true?

Might be true.

A few years back I was in Vegas playing blackjack next to a guy who loaded bags at Heathrow. We had an interesting conversation and he was telling me he made roughly $70k in American dollars per year humping suitcases.

This gentleman was older so he may have had some years in, but that would be a low paying job in the USA

 

[Mchooky]

I heard in the UK, you guys have two drivers per car, and make $55 an hour. Any of this true?

Currently think the exchange is about 14-18. It would have been a lot more when the £ was stronger a few years ago.
Generally one driver. We get helpers at Christmas sometimes though how much help that is can be debatable. They may send two drivers out if the count is low and they want to reduce the amount of vans going out. That just means you do twice the work.

 

[Wally]

Hi. My sup decided to kick off about our shirts being ironed yesterday, so I'm interested in people's views.

I'm pretty sure my contract says my shirt should be ironed (can anyone confirm?). In the early days I used to iron my shirt but after realising it didn't look different to non ironed I stopped. 5 years ago. (The lack of difference is mainly due to my fabulous laundry skills. Don't overload the washing machine, unload as soon as the cycle finishes and put on hangers to dry).

No one has mentioned my shirts in five years.

There is various UK case law about dress codes, reasonableness and prior enforceability which I think supports me not having to buy a new iron. I think to win a case UPS would have to prove materiality where they would be on a hiding tp nothing. I think in the UK we have stronger employee protection than in the US.

Otherwise I adhere to the dress code. I look smart... though I might not wear the brown socks all the time.

The thing that really annoyed me is the sup started having a go at people at the end of the day. 10 hours and 100 stops and I still look smart but the sup is expecting razor sharp creases.

The upshot is, I'm not going to iron my shirts. How likely do you think it is that they will try to sack me?

You guys have dental over on the other side of the pond?

 

[Mchooky]

You guys have dental over on the other side of the pond?

Don't think so. But I think our dentists are more reasonably priced over here and kids, oldies and pregnant women get care on the NHS.

 

[Wally]

Don't think so. But I think our dentists are more reasonably priced over here and kids, oldies and pregnant women get care on the NHS.

So, many don't go to the dentist?

 

[Operational needs]

So, many don't go to the dentist?

Lol. Everyone’s not as obsessed with white teeth as we are.

 

[Mchooky]

So, many don't go to the dentist?

Ha, some do, some Don't. But I think the British are renowned for bad teeth. Or more positively, teeth with character. A check up doesn't cost much and half an hour deep clean with the hygienist is about £50

 

[Wally]

Lol. Everyone’s not as obsessed with white teeth as we are.

Way to ruin the bit.

Wait? Bit? TEETH??? LOL

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I'm pretty sure my contract says my shirt should be ironed (can anyone confirm?).

Do you have an online link to any contractual language ?

In the states, the language only says the employee shall "maintain" their shirts.


When they have tried the whole "iron your shirt" thing....

We remind them, they are still required to launder the rest of the uniform.

That shut's them up.


"The Employer agrees that if any employee is required to wear any kind of uniform as a condition of his/her continued employment, such uniform, except shirts, shall be furnished and maintained by the Employer free of charge."



-Bug-

 

[Mchooky]

Bug, that's really helpful. I'm not sure what the actual language is.... But then I have never been given an employee handbook

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Bug, that's really helpful. I'm not sure what the actual language is.... But then I have never been given an employee handbook

There is one caveat, with my statement.

Not being in an organized labor union (hence contract)....

You might be subject to a "employee or company" handbook.


Ironing shirts ?

I give it a big.... Pfft.

 

[Jackburton]

Was over there about a year ago, stopped in Bath for half a day and saw a driver and helper maybe? This was around end of Sept ‘17, didn’t know if that was normal. One was driving and the other was in the passenger seat, think it was a Sprinter type van.

 

[wrecker]

Our supplement doesn’t exclude shirts.

There is a cleaners across the street that the center will pick up the tab if we drop uniforms there. I don’t think anyone bothers.

 

[Mchooky]

Was over there about a year ago, stopped in Bath for half a day and saw a driver and helper maybe? This was around Oct ‘17, didn’t know if that was normal.

Could have been a job view day or training a new driver.