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<blockquote data-quote="Big Rigger" data-source="post: 4987103" data-attributes="member: 87168"><p>Prob either V or H? </p><p>I got an email yesterday supporting V and it was more nitpicking about O. No substance. It called the TU slate OZ//TDU. Evidently the subliminal dividing is what V is incorporating while accusing O of that himself. Although I'm not a TDUer they exist because of disgruntled membership over the years. Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black.</p><p>In addition, V attacked the Vote No movement just like other (non UPS) BAs did. We never heard of that in 2013 until TeamCare was being forced down our throat. Where was the disconnect? Trust. It has been lacking for years. We never got ANY info about TeamCare until well after the first vote (not to mention that two whole regions were allowed to vote on our healthcare but they weren't subject to having it themselves) and information was left out such as the one punch per week vs one punch a month. What did that all precipitate? More distrust.</p><p></p><p>V pounds on UPSers, blaming us for the dissention amongst the rank and file but it's the crap that got forced down UPSers throats the last contract that poured more fuel on the fire. Every 22.4 driver needs to remember that when it's time to vote because the company is raking in major profits, the bonuses have been big for non-union employees and the stock price has more than doubled since March of 2020 all primarily benefiting the management not the blue collar workers working in 150° trucks and trailers and at risk of Covid every day they're on the street. </p><p></p><p>V says that O's "chest bumping" style is wrong. I believe that shows how out of touch he is in the work environment UPSers endure every day. Maybe he needs to get into a package car for a few months during the summer and deliver what UPSers have to handle (by hand, not palletized) and he'll lose a few pounds and gain some respect. </p><p></p><p>He said he got Sysco a good CBA? I talked with a Sysco driver who was truly aggravated about them caving in to the concession of discipline for distracted driving when they allowed cameras in the cabs a few years back. UPS drivers need to take note and research who they think will fight against technology that will unduly discipline a driver. Every disciplinary concession will slowly increase the fear factor in the already stressful environment members endure and it looks like V isn't concerned about that as much. </p><p></p><p>I hope every minority black, Hispanic, and female member remembers that you are "token" people in Vairma's eyes unless you are on his slate. That is his current mindset according to the debate, not old news, and that was a very telling statement.</p><p></p><p>This is my opinion only from the debate I watched this morning. I respect the opinions of folks that like VH but humility and honesty means a lot to members who elect leadership and I didn't see those qualities in V. This election, imo is going to have a major effect on working conditions, disciplinary action, and pensions going forward. Choose wisely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Rigger, post: 4987103, member: 87168"] Prob either V or H? I got an email yesterday supporting V and it was more nitpicking about O. No substance. It called the TU slate OZ//TDU. Evidently the subliminal dividing is what V is incorporating while accusing O of that himself. Although I'm not a TDUer they exist because of disgruntled membership over the years. Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black. In addition, V attacked the Vote No movement just like other (non UPS) BAs did. We never heard of that in 2013 until TeamCare was being forced down our throat. Where was the disconnect? Trust. It has been lacking for years. We never got ANY info about TeamCare until well after the first vote (not to mention that two whole regions were allowed to vote on our healthcare but they weren't subject to having it themselves) and information was left out such as the one punch per week vs one punch a month. What did that all precipitate? More distrust. V pounds on UPSers, blaming us for the dissention amongst the rank and file but it's the crap that got forced down UPSers throats the last contract that poured more fuel on the fire. Every 22.4 driver needs to remember that when it's time to vote because the company is raking in major profits, the bonuses have been big for non-union employees and the stock price has more than doubled since March of 2020 all primarily benefiting the management not the blue collar workers working in 150° trucks and trailers and at risk of Covid every day they're on the street. V says that O's "chest bumping" style is wrong. I believe that shows how out of touch he is in the work environment UPSers endure every day. Maybe he needs to get into a package car for a few months during the summer and deliver what UPSers have to handle (by hand, not palletized) and he'll lose a few pounds and gain some respect. He said he got Sysco a good CBA? I talked with a Sysco driver who was truly aggravated about them caving in to the concession of discipline for distracted driving when they allowed cameras in the cabs a few years back. UPS drivers need to take note and research who they think will fight against technology that will unduly discipline a driver. Every disciplinary concession will slowly increase the fear factor in the already stressful environment members endure and it looks like V isn't concerned about that as much. I hope every minority black, Hispanic, and female member remembers that you are "token" people in Vairma's eyes unless you are on his slate. That is his current mindset according to the debate, not old news, and that was a very telling statement. This is my opinion only from the debate I watched this morning. I respect the opinions of folks that like VH but humility and honesty means a lot to members who elect leadership and I didn't see those qualities in V. This election, imo is going to have a major effect on working conditions, disciplinary action, and pensions going forward. Choose wisely. [/QUOTE]
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