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Upper management gets 20% raise, I get less than inflation with a target on my back!
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<blockquote data-quote="Benben" data-source="post: 3582314" data-attributes="member: 25133"><p>Just discussing, I am not attacking please don't take this as such. I just feel strongly about this!</p><p></p><p>1. The RLA is between FedEx and the Govt. If UPS feels harmed by it then UPS needs to address it with those 2 entities. Can we both agree that taking it out on us (the employees) is morally wrong? </p><p></p><p>Ok, lets take this view and apply it to a different situation. North Korea jails its citizens for any reason at any time. The US does not! Your view applied would be that until North Korea changes the US is harmed by not being able to do the same! Yes, this is taken to the extreme and is absurd but its the SAME ARGUMENT! 2 wrongs do not make a right if you will. "Because they are then we can also," Has been an excuse to commit some of the world's worst atrocities throughout history. Does not make it right and is never an excuse! </p><p></p><p>"Make a lot more money like you are suggesting," I feel that just looking at the pure dollar amount in a vacuum is what UPS (the opposing side) wants everyone to focus on! This is a slight-of-hand, a con job if you will. The current inflation rate is over 2.75%. Best estimates has inflation for 2018 north of 2.9%. I personally think we are 1 more fed rate-hike from being well <u>over</u> 3%. The offered raises are less than that, <u><strong>A LOT LESS.</strong></u> We actually LOSE money with this offer in <strong>all</strong> reality! This isn't 100% about whats on paper, this is about real life in the real world!</p><p></p><p>2.I do not agree in any way with this statement! From what we are seeing day in and day out, UPS does not hesitate to put as many packages in the trucks and the driver gets done whenever they get done. The only thing that prevents them from doing this is the very weak 9.5 language in the contract. I point out the fact that new hires are paid less than FedEX drivers. Therefore if UPS was at the <u>very least</u> concerned with the labor "costs" we would routinely see the lowest paid drivers working the most hours. Reality is its almost the exact opposite! At best there appears to be 0 correlation between what a driver is currently being paid and how much work gets shoved down our throats!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benben, post: 3582314, member: 25133"] Just discussing, I am not attacking please don't take this as such. I just feel strongly about this! 1. The RLA is between FedEx and the Govt. If UPS feels harmed by it then UPS needs to address it with those 2 entities. Can we both agree that taking it out on us (the employees) is morally wrong? Ok, lets take this view and apply it to a different situation. North Korea jails its citizens for any reason at any time. The US does not! Your view applied would be that until North Korea changes the US is harmed by not being able to do the same! Yes, this is taken to the extreme and is absurd but its the SAME ARGUMENT! 2 wrongs do not make a right if you will. "Because they are then we can also," Has been an excuse to commit some of the world's worst atrocities throughout history. Does not make it right and is never an excuse! "Make a lot more money like you are suggesting," I feel that just looking at the pure dollar amount in a vacuum is what UPS (the opposing side) wants everyone to focus on! This is a slight-of-hand, a con job if you will. The current inflation rate is over 2.75%. Best estimates has inflation for 2018 north of 2.9%. I personally think we are 1 more fed rate-hike from being well [U]over[/U] 3%. The offered raises are less than that, [U][B]A LOT LESS.[/B][/U] We actually LOSE money with this offer in [B]all[/B] reality! This isn't 100% about whats on paper, this is about real life in the real world! 2.I do not agree in any way with this statement! From what we are seeing day in and day out, UPS does not hesitate to put as many packages in the trucks and the driver gets done whenever they get done. The only thing that prevents them from doing this is the very weak 9.5 language in the contract. I point out the fact that new hires are paid less than FedEX drivers. Therefore if UPS was at the [U]very least[/U] concerned with the labor "costs" we would routinely see the lowest paid drivers working the most hours. Reality is its almost the exact opposite! At best there appears to be 0 correlation between what a driver is currently being paid and how much work gets shoved down our throats! [/QUOTE]
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